Clearly Soviets were happy to have USA waste so much expenditures on impossible physics. So no reason to expose the hoax. And by now, no one cares in Politburo ranks, and Internet already knows the truth anyway. Too much effort, when election meddling is a higher priority.
USA Nobel Prize Laureate (Physics) Steven Weinberg: "... the whole manned spaceflight program, which is so enormously expensive, has produced nothing of scientific value."
Science (2018) can't even determine whether Foucault pendula deviate during solar eclipses. NASA's "experiments" (1999) on the matter were lazily flawed. Quoting Hoax Denier sources, but they seem valid.
Moreover, the lead supervisor left NASA shortly thereafter with the gathered data and the NASA study has never been published.[25]
Err, that sounds like "science" to me, not even Comey could leave with his memos from FBI, but NASA top admin absconds with data?? One has to wonder where are the tentacles were aspiring.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allais_effectMoreover, the lead supervisor left NASA shortly thereafter with the gathered data and the NASA study has never been published.
If they data don't meet the theory, they must be disposed of.
NASA at the least did announce the study ahead of time, but then turned around and tried to memory-hole its existence once the results were not favored by policy.
Chris Cassidy, on location wrote:
Live from the International Space Station, ... or USA, ... ?
Q-What was high school like for you?
“Well, it was the 1980s, so the music was different, the hairstyle was different, the clothes we wore were different than today, but probably in 5 to 10 years, it’ll be the same. And in school I was just like you, probably all of you there. I tried my best. I didn’t always succeed, didn’t always do well, but I put my best effort into school. Math and science were kinda my favorite subjects. I didn’t really like English and reading too much, but I’ve since grown out of that, I do everything now. And I played a lot of sports. And all of that happened in a little town called York, Maine across the United States from where we’re talking to you right now.“
Maybe ISS was flying over USA at the time.
In November 2012 NASA launched its "Spot the Station" service, which sends people text and email alerts when the station is due to fly above their town.[355] The station is visible from 95% of the inhabited land on Earth, but is not visible from extreme northern or southern latitudes
I know a few. Even "off the record" they will not corroborate a moon-hoax conspiracy. Experimental science just gives us narrow truths. The Van Allen belt was not a large problem, because they went around the heaviest radiation. Science measured the exposure. The majority ARE quite ignorant.
Moronbase wrote:
If you know a space scientist personally, perhaps you could ask them. But they will not go on the record because it's their livelihoods and their reputations are jeapardized by self-appointed hogwash vigilantes or funded affiliates . Experimental science tells the truth for us, but the majority are quite ignorant.
What do they know? wrote:
China’s space budget is still only about one-tenth of the United States’ outlays, officials have said.
And they can send people into space which the United States can't.
Here is a Scoop, from noted Counter-Intelligence Expert Malcolm Nance (35 yrs experience), about how easy it can be for Government orgs to dupe the widespread masses. He uses Russia as an a current example.
“What Russia has done here and where the true brilliance of this intelligence operation comes from, is way back in the early 2000s, the Russia military conducted a strategic study and started carrying out a disinformation plan in which they said instead of carrying out kinetic warfare against your enemies, the best thing they can do is create a disinformation frame around that nation to the point where over time as we are constantly tearing them apart and feeding them false information, they would actually welcome an invasion.”
Trump pretended to be a NY liberal back by 2011, but ALREADY the contacts were there!! Planning ahead
“So Russia has done that to the united states and that started way before 2016. The earliest references I have with relation to Donald Trump shows that it started 2011 with Maria Butina and the NRA contacts with the fundamentalist Christian right and the alt-right in the united states. Russia was pushing these disinformation campaigns then. Then in 2013, they start up the Russian Federation Internet Research Agency which built all of these memes and tropes which became the cruise missiles of fake news and disinformation designed to do what it did today and take one third of the united states population and make them refuse to believe what they see before their very eyes and may have elected a president in the process.”
Host Brian Williams (MSNBC) asked how the Russians could have pulled off an operation this extensive without the help of willing American accomplices.
"They have played on the themes of far-right conspiracy theories of the 1960s, the John Birch Society, a sideline group. These are the farthest extremes of the libertarian parties. They have amplified racism to the point where the alt-right, Steve Bannon’s own creation of gamers is now the wholly owned subsidiary of the Trump campaign and are believers in David Duke, the KKK, the neo Nazi Richard Spencer and Robert Spencer the Islamophobe to the point where they’re mainstreamed. This is how effective this information warfare campaign has been carried out. And let me tell you, this report shows how they went after to suppress the African American vote and there’s no doubt in my mind or anyone else’s in the intelligence community that doesn’t believe that it took American citizens to assist them in really getting down to where these voters were who needed to be suppressed.”
This aired on a division of NBC News. The host thanked Nance: “Wow. Malcolm Nance this is why we ask you all the time to come on this broadcast. Scary stuff but it needs to be said, needs to be heard. Thank you sir so much for joining us once again."
Will we LRC Hoax Exposers be thanked by future masses also for our yeoman's work to reveal?
Which is it then? 27 frames to be generous or 38 frames in Youtube? Since frames are so important for determining time, we should probably get both frame count and frame rate accurate. Since the formula for distance is a function of time ^2, getting the time wrong could produce even larger wrong answers. So a little background about common frame rates: - Film is 24 fps - PAL is 25 fps - NTSC is 30 fps These are historical decisions not involving NASA. - Early B&W NASA footage was recorded at 10fps and converted to NTSC compatible B&W. At some point later, some video footage was converted and posted on Youtube. And we are trying to count frames, on a video converted to Youtube, assuming playback is in realtime. This is not science.
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Too many Details, the Lies win in the end wrote:
From the video, we already apparently see that the hammer + feather BOTH take no more than 1.1 seconds (27 frames to be generous) to "fall" from height to surface.
On YouTube you can step frame by frame and get a better count (about 38 frames).
Wikipedia doesn't even cover (even in its "Conspiracy" headings) that Apollo 1 crew was murdered, and to find a list of all those killed in the missions (i.e., those who were deemed unsure of their "cooperation" with NASA Hoax) you can't find it there either.
Thomas Ronald Baron was a safety inspector in Apollo 1’s construction. After the fire, Baron testified before Congress that the Apollo program was in such disarray that the United States would never make it to the moon. He claimed his opinions made him a target, and on 21 April 1967 reported on camera to news reporters that he and his wife had been harassed at home. As part of his testimony Baron submitted a 500 page report detailing his findings. Exactly one week after he testified, Baron’s car was struck by a train and he, his wife and his stepdaughter were all killed instantly. Baron’s report mysteriously disappeared, and to this day it has never been found.
Ground Control to Major Tom wrote:
So a little background about common frame rates:
- Film is 24 fps
- PAL is 25 fps
- NTSC is 30 fps
On YouTube you can step frame by frame and get a better count (about 38 frames).
NASA should submit the applied frame rate to YouTube technology as part of the header information. If they get it right, of course.
Frame rate
Content should be encoded and uploaded in the same frame rate it was recorded.
Common frame rates include: 24, 25, 30, 48, 50, 60 frames per second (other frame rates are also acceptable).
Interlaced content should be deinterlaced before uploading. For example, 1080i60 content should be deinterlaced to 1080p30, going from 60 interlaced fields per second to 30 progressive frames per second.
We can count frames, but we are dependent on NASA to have told FPS truth to YouTube (Google) upload.
Remove the Obstacles wrote:
Wikipedia doesn't even cover (even in its "Conspiracy" headings) that Apollo 1 crew was murdered, and to find a list of all those killed in the missions (i.e., those who were deemed unsure of their "cooperation" with NASA Hoax) you can't find it there either.
Yep, as now Gus Grissom's own wife (widow) and son belief this "conspiracy" & still Wikipedia won't mention it.
Clark MacDonald, an engineer working for McDonnell-Douglas, was hired by NASA to investigate the fire. He now has admitted that more than thirty years earlier, NASA destroyed the evidence he gathered, as well as the report he produced, for “public relations” reasons. MacDonald determined that an electrical short started the fire when the battery power was switched on. Grissom’s son Scott was granted access to the Apollo 1 craft, where he gathered evidence that he says pointed to sabotage, and that there has been a cover-up of it.
http://web.archive.org/web/20130206171242/http://news.discovery.com/space/history-of-space/the-apollo-1-conspiracy-theory-130204.htmThis greatly misstates the state of this "debate", as one that has been credibly established by the high standards demanded of the "science side". The whole "conspiracy" position is based on simply denying all of the established evidence, combined with a bunch of "coulda been" arguments: - photos/videos coulda been faked, or photo-shopped, or filmed on earth - NASA could be lying and a bad understanding or representation of science: - it's impossible for water to condense in a space module - it's impossible for the sound of a hammer to travel through matter - it's impossible to go around a "belt" of dense radiation This isn't yet at the point where there can be a proper two-sided educated debate. So predictably, the "conspiracy side" commits the very sins they accuse "the other side" of: - name calling by attaching a negative label to the "deniers" - attack the "deniers", rather than building their own affirmative case
Abcde Moon Unit wrote:
With Hoax Deniers having given up trying to make their affirmative case (and I don't blame them, when all you have is copies of Soviet information on rocks/soil/reflectors and some pretty pictures released decades later.. ooops almost forgot the mysterious "shoeprint" canals that NASA won't zoom in on, fortunately Russia has a $1m+ GoFundMe to send independent seeker there), all they can do now is point to supposed holes in musings of hoax theorists. But these are beside the main point, because it doesn't matter the details of how the masses were conned, since there are so many plausible ways to do it.
E.g., for the hammer and the feather, it doesn't matter whether they used thin hidden wires, or a fake non-aerated feather (either can additionally explain the strange video movements), or even the bizarro g/6 vaccum in AZ/NV/Hollywood, *all* that matters is that the gravity calculation is wrong from high school physics. So, either NASA is palming off a mistimed video (as one LRC anti-hoax believer immediately presumes, in good step with NASA scientists themselves who are always necessitated to come up with novel strains to explain every new discrepancy uncovered), OR the video didn't come from Earth's Moon. The latter doesn't mean necessarily that USA astronauts never landed there if you want to argue that pedantry, but clearly the argument is more and more strained by the minute, when there are so many cover-ups abound.
Counter of Framings wrote:
We can count frames, but we are dependent on NASA to have told FPS truth to YouTube (Google) upload.
This isn't that difficult. Just go to the watchframebyframe and click on the Step Forward. If you have the wrong FPS, it will just stall ever frame or so (or skip if you are too low). But as said, you have to trust NASA is telling the FPS truth, or at least whoever copied it over to YouTube.
For additional evidence, you can see how the hammer bounces at its speed.
It's not NASA's job to do your "research".
Counter of Framings wrote:
Ground Control to Major Tom wrote:
So a little background about common frame rates:
- Film is 24 fps
- PAL is 25 fps
- NTSC is 30 fps
NASA should submit the applied frame rate to YouTube technology as part of the header information. If they get it right, of course.
Frame rate
Content should be encoded and uploaded in the same frame rate it was recorded.
Common frame rates include: 24, 25, 30, 48, 50, 60 frames per second (other frame rates are also acceptable).
Interlaced content should be deinterlaced before uploading. For example, 1080i60 content should be deinterlaced to 1080p30, going from 60 interlaced fields per second to 30 progressive frames per second.
We can count frames, but we are dependent on NASA to have told FPS truth to YouTube (Google) upload.
Techno-nerd wrote:
Counter of Framings wrote:
We can count frames, but we are dependent on NASA to have told FPS truth to YouTube (Google) upload.
This isn't that difficult. Just go to the watchframebyframe and click on the Step Forward. If you have the wrong FPS, it will just stall ever frame or so (or skip if you are too low). But as said, you have to trust NASA is telling the FPS truth, or at least whoever copied it over to YouTube.
For additional evidence, you can see how the hammer bounces at its speed.
It's almost like the anti-hoax believers don't want to find the data, even though it's right b4 them.
@ 30FPS (speed), the hammer might maybe move at (harder to tell with feather) at 59.46s.
But the lack of more movement at 59.49s makes it hard to say (there is glare change at the right side, so this really is a different frame).
I think 59.53s is the most likely frame of departure. By the next frame 59.56s the hammer has gone slightly down, and it seems the feather too. But it could be actually later (horizontal movement of hands prior to release).
Then we can count frames. One-by-one, we reach ground contact at 1:00.73s or 36 frames later. That's 1.2s, leading to shoulder height of only 1.17m, much shorter than expected. The astronaut holds the pose for an extended time period, if that's how they spliced in the 0.5x part with normal speed. The hammer topples over, but it's too hard to tell if this is "normal" in g/6 speed.
Conclusion, either NASA lied and this was originally less than 30 FPS, or the astronaut is much shorter than expected. Or the whole thing is a HOAX.
And Baron's family's murder was a 'suicide' wrote:
Yep, Gus Grissom's own wife (widow) and son belief this "conspiracy" & still Wikipedia won't mention it.
Funny, Deep State told us (through the NPC lemmings it programmed to saturate the web with the tagline) that we should "respect the family's wishes" regarding the botched robbery of Seth Rich, but now we are to ignore them in this incident at Pad 34?
"Flat-Earth" is baggage that follows "Legit Question", who seems to have jumped from Flat Earth to the moon. He never responds to the mountain-top experiment first conducted by Islam astronomers over 1000 years ago, and many times since, and is easily repeatable, which would be definitive: - dip-angle always 0 no matter the height, means flat-earth; - dip-angle increasing with height, according to predictions of a globe earth, means horizon does not rise completely to eye-level, and flat-earth scientists go home DEVESTATED. You are right though -- it doesn't belong in a Moan hoax thread. Moon-hoax should be able to fall flat on its own, due to lack of structural support. Getting back on track, didn't Stephen Curry back-track, after some lengthy amusement at the deep conviction that some people actually believe his joke?
Let's be clear what this is about wrote:
Science bro wrote:
Russia and China and scientists all around the world and the US know this, but none of them call out the supposedly scientificly obvious lie that we faked the moon landing.
Firstly, it's not only the moon landing that is under dispute, but also the moon exploration (on Hollywood-esque terrain), the moon trip with USA astronauts (both directions, crossing van Allen both ways). OTOH the moon program (it's true purposeness known only to a select crowd) is clearly valid (NASA), just like Saddam Hussein had a WMD program going (it's production and/or production capability therein being disputed, likely of yellowcake value). Furthermore the Hoax Deniers (LRC) have gone further and brought in more conflationary elements to hide behind, such as Flat Earth.
To address the stated point, China is one of the most authoritarian countries around and can easily induce its scientists to self-censor the truth. Moreover, even if one of them dared to speak out (speaking hypothetically of/c), how do you think USA/Western media would respond? Likely just ignore, and perhaps would even heckle. When you control the propaganda outlet venues, it's easy to blast the narrative.
That's why it's so important to exposing that cultural leaders like USA Basketball's Stephen Curry to keep placing NASA's feet to the fire. Their quick riposte in denunciation shows how vital they want to keep a lid on.
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What do they know? wrote:
China’s space budget is still only about one-tenth of the United States’ outlays, officials have said.
And they can send people into space which the United States can't.
USA is all about spending money (bureaucracy) then blowharding manufactured "results" to meet the narrative.
To address the stated point, China is one of the most authoritarian countries around and can easily induce its scientists to self-censor the truth. Moreover, even if one of them dared to speak out (speaking hypothetically of/c), how do you think USA/Western media would respond? Likely just ignore, and perhaps would even heckle. When you control the propaganda outlet venues, it's easy to blast the narrative.
Ignore/heckle is minimal. USA Military Complex knows how to deal with such problems (see above posts, regarding Apollo 1 deaths & inspector having his family killed in "suicide train wreck").
Garbage in, garbage out. Need to know all the frame rates and all the conversions applied. Solid math though, concluding with a nice false dichotomy.
I Did The Math wrote:
Techno-nerd wrote:
This isn't that difficult. Just go to the watchframebyframe and click on the Step Forward. If you have the wrong FPS, it will just stall ever frame or so (or skip if you are too low). But as said, you have to trust NASA is telling the FPS truth, or at least whoever copied it over to YouTube.
For additional evidence, you can see how the hammer bounces at its speed.
It's almost like the anti-hoax believers don't want to find the data, even though it's right b4 them.
@ 30FPS (speed), the hammer might maybe move at (harder to tell with feather) at 59.46s.
But the lack of more movement at 59.49s makes it hard to say (there is glare change at the right side, so this really is a different frame).
I think 59.53s is the most likely frame of departure. By the next frame 59.56s the hammer has gone slightly down, and it seems the feather too. But it could be actually later (horizontal movement of hands prior to release).
Then we can count frames. One-by-one, we reach ground contact at 1:00.73s or 36 frames later. That's 1.2s, leading to shoulder height of only 1.17m, much shorter than expected. The astronaut holds the pose for an extended time period, if that's how they spliced in the 0.5x part with normal speed. The hammer topples over, but it's too hard to tell if this is "normal" in g/6 speed.
Conclusion, either NASA lied and this was originally less than 30 FPS, or the astronaut is much shorter than expected. Or the whole thing is a HOAX.
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