That’s awesome. Colorado State is a great place to develop as a distance athlete, and I’m glad those kids are getting that chance. However, they compete in the Mountain West and haven’t contended for a top 5 finish at nationals which is what “True P5” refers to in this discussion. The only such school in CO is Colorado itself.
Since when did they create a P5 All-American squad? P5 applies to Football.
F^ck P5. Trying to be like the Ivies? Go D1!
Which school? No power 5 team today is giving anything for a 29:40 guy.
Where is that information? Colorado State is a solid program. Those guys won't be top 15 on their team so it seems like wasted scholarships.
That's funny. They had 4 guys run 14 flat or better and 10 guys run 14:30. One of their freshmen this year ran 8:50 in HS and another ran 9 minutes. Where is money coming from for 9:25 guys?
I ran in the ACC, under what I consider one of the best coaches. And yes, 29:40 got me 100% full scholarship. I also placed top three in the 10,000m at Conference in the ACC and made nationals twice in XC.
I’ve seen it said on here before by coaches that once you’re on the team, they don’t care about your times if you are scoring points at conference and qualifying for nationals... accomplish that and there’s a good likelihood you’ll get a partial. Of course typically it takes one to do the other, but not always.
Let me rephrase wrote:
You make some good points about my earlier recommendation. Not every P5 school recruits transfers as a matter of policy, even if you are good enough. Some do though. There is way more to SoCal distance than just RCC and Mt. Sac, El Camino for instance will have two sub 14:20 (and likely one of them will be sub 14) guys this spring. Last year a kid from Glendale who hadn’t run under 9:50 in HS wound up breaking 30 in the 10000 and had UCLA watching all his meets. Hartnell up north has had a few guys transfer D1 and eventually go sub 4. I had been thinking of the sprints mainly when I posted this though, where the competition is stiff throughout.
Is it likely that you’ll blossom into a blue chip runner in the two years you’ll spend in juco? No, because if you’re that dude you were probably always that dude. But it is certainly possible, and it is very possible that you will have offers from some of the state universities/UCs if you do well, especially as many of those coaches have ties to various juco programs. Those rosters are absolutely littered with transfers from this system.
Where did Raymon end up at? Also, the only guy who will go under 14:20 is Sal from Mt Sac.
I realize the title is P5 but below might be of interest:
I realize the resources available to some of these P5 schools is enormous and
not available to the same degree at other schools, but track (and cross country)
is not football. If you want to be in the playoffs in football there are only a handful
of schools that have a reasonable chance to do it. In track, it doesn't matter, if
you are good enough you'll be at the championship meet.
Raymond is at Chico State, which is where he had committed to prior to the UCLA interest picking up.
I would argue that Carson Bix, who defeated Capetillo (who began his college career at Colorado) at this fall’s state meet has just as much of a chance. Capetillo posted a 19:01 4 mile this fall, which equates to a 23:56 8km.
Again, not everyone who does this will end up with Pac 12 interest that they didn’t already have, and it’s true that athletes from sh!tty programs will never be able to contribute to a university level team. But then again, at least half of the athletes recruited directly to Pac 12-type schools don’t pan out anyway.
12.6 scholarships don't go very far when you realize that Power 5 schools probably had a dozen guys go to the first round of the NCAA championships. It practically takes a sub 4 minute mile and sub 14 minute 5k in the Power 5 conferences to score. There ae so many more event groups other than distance. Sprints are where coaches get the most bang for the buck. The 9:10 HS runner is competing against the 21.5 200 runners and 48 second 400 runners and 23 feet long jumpers and 60 feet shot putters for the same limited scholarships. Yet none of those marks will score in college so coaches are likely to offer walk-on spots and make the kids earn a scholarship.
I ran 1:53 in high school and every offer i received was pretty much a full. But by this thread i feel like they should not have been?
Which schools and what year? 1:53 maybe gets you 10% at a Power 5 these days. Also, were you dumb? If not, you should have received some academic aid/scholarships/discounts. You can look at your NLI to see what the total cost of the school is listed as and how much your athletic scholarship was. the total cost to attend Purdue in state is listed as $23K. A full athletic scholarship would cover the entire amount of Tuition $9,300, Fees $800, Room and Board $10,000, On-Campus Budget $1,600, and Books and Supplies $1,200. No athlete gets all that even if they run 1:47 in HS. The schools just don't pay the extra frills that aren't real expenses and they first look for academic scholarships that won't eat into the 12.6.
19 guys in the ACC ran from 1:47 to 1:50 last year. 24 guys in the SEC ran from 1:45 to 1:50. Power 5s have no use for a 1:53 so certainly not a full and not even worth wasting a 10% scholarship until you prove you can break 1:50.
Our #1 runner went 4:09, 9:07 and split 1:51 and got a 100% full ride to an in-state P5. He also won NXN region.
Read the earlier post. Was he dumb? If not, he should have received some academic aid/scholarships/discounts. His NLI should explain it. did he get a bunch of spending money? If not, he is not on a full ride. As an example, the total cost to attend Purdue in state is listed as $23K. A full athletic scholarship would cover the entire amount of Tuition $9,300, Fees $800, Room and Board $10,000, On-Campus Budget $1,600, and Books and Supplies $1,200. No track athlete gets all that even if they are a sub 4 guy. Track teams don't include the fake fees and on campus budget which is just beer money.
Our number 1 guy ran 4:05 and 1:50 a few years ago and got 20%. He has since transferred to a D2 team because he never broke into the top 7.
What I forgot to add was that he was smart. He had free tuition as an academic scholarship so he was left only paying for food even though his track scholarship was only 20%
Auburn posts their standards. 1:54 walk-on. 1:52 starting scholarship. 1:49 considered for full. 1:53 sounds like a walk-on to me.
Well, Auburn should rethink their standards. Anyone here ever lose to an Auburn distance runner? Nope. Never. I competed against Auburn on a full scholarship DI non-P5 (right at sub-9:00 for 3000m in high school, American) and was able to sub-24:00 on their XC course as well.