I'm on my honeymoon and clicked on this thread instead of reading the Bekele preview.
Ha ha. For no reason never.
Men and woke are different creatures and that's the beauty when it works.
I'm on my honeymoon and clicked on this thread instead of reading the Bekele preview.
Ha ha. For no reason never.
Men and woke are different creatures and that's the beauty when it works.
Every single day.
+1
Even Katy Perry will sound like a broken record and look weatherbeaten at some point, mon ami.[/quote]
That’s already happened. Have you seen Katy Perry lately?
Women are emotional creatures so whatever these issues are, it's probably not going to be obvious to you a male. She could be upset for something that was or wasn't your fault. She could be mad at something someone (coworker, friend, other lover, etc.) did earlier in the day and she's taking it out on you. She could be testing to you to see how you react, or manipulate your emotions to her benefit. I had a friend offer to treat me dinner once and when the check came, she started crying saying she had a headache or something. My natural male response was to pay for dinner because of the awkwardness of it. It wasn't until later that I figured out what happened. Not saying all women are like this but some are conditioned early on to use emotions to their advantage.
Ron Tabb wrote:
It is directly proportional to a girl's hotness.
Unfortunately, the problem is compounded by men who tolerate and exacerbate the condition.
Say you're interested in a 6.5. Everything is going along swimmingly and then she decides that she's an 8 (maybe a coworker is pursuing her) and gives you some air. You'll assess the situation and decide to relax. Either she'll cool off or go, either way you win.
Now consider the 8.5 or above you're interested in. Right away you'll be chasing that like the leaders at the conference championship. You could hang, but you'll need no obstacles. Likely she's been hit on for several years now. Every dude, neighbors, classmates, UPS man, her brother's friends, her boss ... they've all been willing to drink her bathwater. She's got absolutely no sense of reality. Nothing is hard for her. Half of what she has, she got free or greatly reduced. Most of what she's earned, she didn't really deserve. Free stuff, easy jobs, overpaid - is a dangerous combination.
And now consider: which one do guys put up with when tiny bits of reality set in (the customer service doesn't appreciate her hotness, the woman at the salon doesn't give her a deal, she bumps fenders with another gal with the same sense of entitlement) and which ones never have the issue in the first place?
This seems pretty accurate both with my current girlfriend and in my general experience, and it is why I've avoided having relationships with super beautiful women. They are usually pretty poorly adjusted socially and/or emotionally as they place an enormous amount of importance on looks (since that's their strength and what gets them things in life) and are often (though not always) emotionally unstable. It's part of why I have generally enjoyed spending time with 7s more than spending time with 9s.
My girlfriend is probably a 9 or 9.5 in beauty/hotness, and she gives me great sex and a lot of it. It is these reasons that makes me think she has been able to get away with her emotionally childish behavior because if I acted even half as poorly as she does, as a man, I'm pretty confident I would be branded a psycho and no one would go near me. It's part of why I've been having trouble with my relationship... If I got even 10% as upset as she regularly does, our relationship would have ended multiple times by now, yet I'm still always the villain. She recently got very upset, and while reflecting on it a lot, I concluded I haven't gotten that upset, at least not outwardly so, in probably more than 10 years. I have never acted like that in my adult life no matter what has happened, and the prompt for her mood swing was apparently a single statement I made that was half in jest. It has made me wonder how we're ever going to work through any real issues when she becomes almost irate over inconsequential non-issues. She is extremely beautiful and sexy, the sex is fantastic, but I'm not sure it really matters if I have to put up with all the other childish behavior... I'm evaluating.
Thank you for the responses. Didn't expect this many.
rtyukruru wrote:
You have described my insanely beautiful wife of 13 years to a T. This morning I woke up from a dream where I was finally telling her pretty much everything you said in this post. I do love her, but she drives me nuts. I never know what is going to set her off, but the dumbest thing puts her in a bad mood and then i'm getting bitched at. if i treated her the way she treats me it would be considered abusive. I put up with it for 2 reasons:
(a) she is smoking hot, and she loves sex. even though she spends half her life mad at me for god knows what, we still have sex 10-15 times a week. no exaggeration.
(b) we have kids, and I will never fight with her in front of them, or have a fight that will drag on until we're in their presence. I was traumatized by my parents doing this (they eventually divorced) and I will not do this to my children.
i wish you all the best.
Very interesting. Do you feel like it has been worth it? It sounds almost like your situation is kind of like having a very costly (money, time, emotional drainage, etc) prostitute for a wife (no disrespect). What happens when she ages another 10 years? Pretty much my worst fear, and I'm sure most guys relate, is ending up with kids with a woman who is a basket-case. Really doesn't matter how hot she is. That sounds like prison to me. Would appreciate hearing your thoughts a bit more.
It’s like part of it! That’s why the divorce rate is so high.
The thing to keep in mind is that women think men are as crazy as men think women are. Try not to act like you’re always in the right even if you are sure you are in your head. You probably aren’t.
Like others have said, just leave when you’re in one of those no win situations. Walk around the block. Do whatever it takes. No matter what you say it’ll make it worse.
Pushed to the Precipice wrote:
Ron Tabb wrote:
It is directly proportional to a girl's hotness.
Unfortunately, the problem is compounded by men who tolerate and exacerbate the condition.
Say you're interested in a 6.5. Everything is going along swimmingly and then she decides that she's an 8 (maybe a coworker is pursuing her) and gives you some air. You'll assess the situation and decide to relax. Either she'll cool off or go, either way you win.
Now consider the 8.5 or above you're interested in. Right away you'll be chasing that like the leaders at the conference championship. You could hang, but you'll need no obstacles. Likely she's been hit on for several years now. Every dude, neighbors, classmates, UPS man, her brother's friends, her boss ... they've all been willing to drink her bathwater. She's got absolutely no sense of reality. Nothing is hard for her. Half of what she has, she got free or greatly reduced. Most of what she's earned, she didn't really deserve. Free stuff, easy jobs, overpaid - is a dangerous combination.
And now consider: which one do guys put up with when tiny bits of reality set in (the customer service doesn't appreciate her hotness, the woman at the salon doesn't give her a deal, she bumps fenders with another gal with the same sense of entitlement) and which ones never have the issue in the first place?
This seems pretty accurate both with my current girlfriend and in my general experience, and it is why I've avoided having relationships with super beautiful women. They are usually pretty poorly adjusted socially and/or emotionally as they place an enormous amount of importance on looks (since that's their strength and what gets them things in life) and are often (though not always) emotionally unstable. It's part of why I have generally enjoyed spending time with 7s more than spending time with 9s.
My girlfriend is probably a 9 or 9.5 in beauty/hotness, and she gives me great sex and a lot of it. It is these reasons that makes me think she has been able to get away with her emotionally childish behavior because if I acted even half as poorly as she does, as a man, I'm pretty confident I would be branded a psycho and no one would go near me. It's part of why I've been having trouble with my relationship... If I got even 10% as upset as she regularly does, our relationship would have ended multiple times by now, yet I'm still always the villain. She recently got very upset, and while reflecting on it a lot, I concluded I haven't gotten that upset, at least not outwardly so, in probably more than 10 years. I have never acted like that in my adult life no matter what has happened, and the prompt for her mood swing was apparently a single statement I made that was half in jest. It has made me wonder how we're ever going to work through any real issues when she becomes almost irate over inconsequential non-issues. She is extremely beautiful and sexy, the sex is fantastic, but I'm not sure it really matters if I have to put up with all the other childish behavior... I'm evaluating.
Thank you for the responses. Didn't expect this many.
Let's correct this, shall we?
Yes, women are emotional creatures, most of whom are emotionally illiterate in caring about the effect of their emotions on others, and most of whom act in the world like punitive, emotional 4 year olds.
Emotionally intelligence? Not so much.
It should be required that before during and after, all girls and young women should have to take a class in understanding themselves and emotion. Boys too. Males are wired to avoid emotion at all costs unless it is a case of fight or flight, etc. Women are wired to be emotional at the drop of a penny. Emotion in a woman's world, once served to "tend and befriend," to tend to the social knitting and connections within a group, tribe, or small village of humans.
So many "modern" women are clueless to this and are willing to run their emotions on others, in the workplace, at home, wherever, because by and large they get away with it and manipulate someone into giving them what they want. Even if that is to be afraid, disgusted, or nonplussed with them. They cannot control or adjust their emotions and or communicate maturely, kindly, and effectively.
Two massage therapist I knew, who were female, and did not know each other, both exclaimed to min the same two weeks, that they were so glad they were through menopause and no longer treated men as crazily as they had.
Noted.
wejo wrote:
Men and woke are different creatures and that's the beauty when it works.
That is really hashtag woke AF.
This thread is full of liars. Anyway, let the ladies chime in.
My girlfriend has never done this in 2+ years. You date high maintenance women. Next time, go for a girl who wears minimal to no makeup and doesn’t dress flashy.
welcome to the world of women! They're all like that on some level, find the one that's the least likely to lose their sh*t and the least crazy! mine is the greatest in the world and still loses it once in a while... I mean , so do I , to be fair! You'll learn to deal with it and talk it through. Most times it's unreasonable or unknown expectations they didn't communicate! Iron that out!
Every time she drinks too much. Luckily only once per month. But let me tell you, she is a handful! Meek and docile the rest of the time.
lucky!!!!
ninetonite wrote:
Meek and docile the rest of the time.
Puke.
Pushed to the Precipice wrote:
Ron Tabb wrote:
It is directly proportional to a girl's hotness.
Unfortunately, the problem is compounded by men who tolerate and exacerbate the condition.
Say you're interested in a 6.5. Everything is going along swimmingly and then she decides that she's an 8 (maybe a coworker is pursuing her) and gives you some air. You'll assess the situation and decide to relax. Either she'll cool off or go, either way you win.
Now consider the 8.5 or above you're interested in. Right away you'll be chasing that like the leaders at the conference championship. You could hang, but you'll need no obstacles. Likely she's been hit on for several years now. Every dude, neighbors, classmates, UPS man, her brother's friends, her boss ... they've all been willing to drink her bathwater. She's got absolutely no sense of reality. Nothing is hard for her. Half of what she has, she got free or greatly reduced. Most of what she's earned, she didn't really deserve. Free stuff, easy jobs, overpaid - is a dangerous combination.
And now consider: which one do guys put up with when tiny bits of reality set in (the customer service doesn't appreciate her hotness, the woman at the salon doesn't give her a deal, she bumps fenders with another gal with the same sense of entitlement) and which ones never have the issue in the first place?
This seems pretty accurate both with my current girlfriend and in my general experience, and it is why I've avoided having relationships with super beautiful women. They are usually pretty poorly adjusted socially and/or emotionally as they place an enormous amount of importance on looks (since that's their strength and what gets them things in life) and are often (though not always) emotionally unstable. It's part of why I have generally enjoyed spending time with 7s more than spending time with 9s.
My girlfriend is probably a 9 or 9.5 in beauty/hotness, and she gives me great sex and a lot of it. It is these reasons that makes me think she has been able to get away with her emotionally childish behavior because if I acted even half as poorly as she does, as a man, I'm pretty confident I would be branded a psycho and no one would go near me. It's part of why I've been having trouble with my relationship... If I got even 10% as upset as she regularly does, our relationship would have ended multiple times by now, yet I'm still always the villain. She recently got very upset, and while reflecting on it a lot, I concluded I haven't gotten that upset, at least not outwardly so, in probably more than 10 years. I have never acted like that in my adult life no matter what has happened, and the prompt for her mood swing was apparently a single statement I made that was half in jest. It has made me wonder how we're ever going to work through any real issues when she becomes almost irate over inconsequential non-issues. She is extremely beautiful and sexy, the sex is fantastic, but I'm not sure it really matters if I have to put up with all the other childish behavior... I'm evaluating.
Thank you for the responses. Didn't expect this many.
So....why do you put up with this? Sounds miserable. The great sex life is nice, but it's still a HUGE chunk of the rest of your life that's being disrupted, especially if she lives with you.
It's too late now, but the best way to deal with this is early on in the relationship...just don't tolerate it. She gives you drama, you up and leave. No contact with her for a variable period of time. A few hours to a week depending on how bad it was. Then come back to talking to her. Feels weird the first time you do it, but it's unbelievable how well it works. She realizes she can lose you if she acts that way, and she also knows 100% why you did what you did.
I don't understand why guys continue to stay in relationships with women that do this, and it usually starts very early, well before you are deeply into her and committed, i.e. usually hints of it begin in the first 6 months and tends to trend upward from there.
Now, if you've been dating for a while and are quite serious, I doubt this would work. It definitely won't if you already live together. In that case, you pretty much have to accept the drama (which to me is crazy, especially at the levels you describe) or get out of there and find someone else. Certainly I would opt for the latter. Find a girl that won't give you that often, and show her that you don't tolerate it.
To be clear, this refers to drama. Not legitimate issues discusses in an adult manner. If she comes at you with harsh negative emotions that just isn't acceptable to me. It's not how adults act. I hold myself to the same standard. Criticism and suggestions delivered like an adult are absolutely a good thing, this is not some tactic to make a woman submissive. You want a good line of communication between the both of you, you just don't want, and shouldn't tolerate, drama (unless you're a person that legitimately thrives on drama, but I can't relate to you guys).
Fake AF wrote:
This thread is full of liars.
Letsrunners with gf's. Lol.
Sounds like every day in my house. You are gonna love marriage dude. Women just do that. The sooner you learn not to take it personally, the easier your life will be.
My wife stopped having melt downs immediately after I moved out. Funny how that works, isn’t it?
have to point out wrote:
Fake AF wrote:
This thread is full of liars.
Letsrunners with gf's. Lol.
In fact, I'm in the hospital receiving supplementary oxygen because I can't stop laughing.
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