G-MAC XC

Should be a good race tomorrow! Ashland and Hillsdale should be making some moves in the national rankings... Don't count out Wheeling Jesuit or Mount Olive. Anyone have a link for results/watching it?

Hillsdale showing their strength! What a great day for them! Excited to watch them take the conference dub then go to Nationals on their home course!

Results are here :

http://runhigh.com/2018RESULTS/R102018AC.html

Just got back from the meet. Tough course and a lot of great running by all teams.

Cedarville was the surprise of the day. Beat Malone and Walsh. They now have some quality wins when deciding at large bids.

Walsh again without their top guy lost to malone by a slim margin. Some Malone runners didn't run well but neither did walsh's team. Should be a tight race in 2 weeks. I don't think Cedarville will win conference since it's a small field. This race will be between Walsh and Malone.

-JT

GreenKetchup wrote:

Results are here :

http://runhigh.com/2018RESULTS/R102018AC.html

Just got back from the meet. Tough course and a lot of great running by all teams.

Cedarville was the surprise of the day. Beat Malone and Walsh. They now have some quality wins when deciding at large bids.

Walsh again without their top guy lost to malone by a slim margin. Some Malone runners didn't run well but neither did walsh's team. Should be a tight race in 2 weeks. I don't think Cedarville will win conference since it's a small field. This race will be between Walsh and Malone.

-JT

Not sure how a smaller field disadvantages the team with the better 3,4,5. Malone picked up some major points with McCartneys finish that will be minimized at conference. Same with Hillsdale and Humes.

Watching the race today I thought Cedarville ran a very conservative smart race that will serve them well on a tough regional course at Hillsdale. Walsh from what I know is a faster course though which may advantage the Chaplik twins and Walsh's mid distance guys over the grinders from Cedarville. If conference is a different result I think that's what will make the difference.

Mixed responses coming off a big weekend. Malone seemed surprised by Cedarville but overall still pretty confident. Walsh sounds fired up by an off weekend and ready to show what they're capable of at the conference meet. Some petty trash getting talked by the Hillsdale girls which may or may not get the guys teams fired up too.

Should make for a fun meet in 2 weeks. Who y'all got? Still between Walsh and Malone or is Cedarville as good as they looked Saturday?

It'll be a tight race at Conference and the course and field size won't play to Cedarville's strengths but they're running smart and tough- don't count them out. Even if they take an L at conference that will only fuel the fire for regionals in a month.

Hadley isn't healthy and we haven't seen Kapes all year- Walsh definitely isn't at the level they were a year ago. Malone isn't running steady. Given that and the size of field I think Hillsdale could steal the title and OVU could surprise some people with their finish.

runthenight wrote:

midwestrunner69 wrote:

You pulled that out of your ASS. Give me the stats for Louisville's top 10.

In addition, I personally wheeled the both the All-Ohio course and the Louisville course. One was 8 Kilometers the other one was 4.81 miles. Guess which one was which

I ran in the open race last weekend for All-Ohio. Watch came out to 4.87. Would make sense that times were around 40 seconds fast.

I coach a team that ran at All-Ohio and one of my runners had a GPS watch that said it was 4.87 miles and all my runners PRed by 2-3 min from their first race, so I think it's safe to say the course was a bit short if we both got that same distance.

Fellow G-MAC wrote:

runthenight wrote:

I ran in the open race last weekend for All-Ohio. Watch came out to 4.87. Would make sense that times were around 40 seconds fast.

I coach a team that ran at All-Ohio and one of my runners had a GPS watch that said it was 4.87 miles and all my runners PRed by 2-3 min from their first race, so I think it's safe to say the course was a bit short if we both got that same distance.

I don't understand why you're still fixated on this. We had all 4 teams go head to head Saturday and it was obvious Hillsdale isn't on the same level as the other 3. For all the talk of a short course the 2 through 5 runners for Walsh, Malone, and Cedarville showed they're clearly better than Hillsdale in an actual head to head race. We don't need hypotheticals anymore.

As far as Hillsdale surprising people, they can't win the meet with a 5th guy placing in the 30s which is pretty likely. If somebody steps up there for them though, they have a chance.

I'll get the picks started though.

1 - Malone

2 - Cedarville

3 - Walsh

4 - Hillsdale

5 - Davis & Elkins

1)- Walsh

2)-Malone

3)- Cedarville

4)- Hillsdale.

Lets not talk about the All-Ohio. I think most people know the course was short. No one has come close to those times since...

Back to conference. It's tough picking Walsh at one but I believe they can get it going next week. If they had Hadley and Kapes running assuming both health this meet wouldn't be close. Looks like they won't be running. I'll still say walsh by a point.

Malone at the half way point at prenationals was in 3rd place. The concerning part is they fell back the 2nd half the race.

A few years back I took my high school team to the Glen Oak invite. It's a fairly quick course. Some rolling hills but should provide some quick times.

-JT

In fairness to Malone, some of that movement was due to Queens tempoing the first 5-6k of the race and then closing faster.

Based on the injuries Kapes had, I would think you have a better shot at mega millions tonight than seeing him on the line at GMACs. Hadley has nothing to lose so I gotta believe he will at least start. No way to know how fit he is though. As a result Walsh has a great 1-2-3, but need big time races from the 4-5 spots.

I think Cedarville will really benefit from the ability to race 10 guys. Their 4-10 haven't been consistent individually, but they have consistently had at least 2 guys in that group have good days every time out. Not having to commit to 3 of them is going to help them out.

Malone has a legit top 3 guy in McCartney. As has been pointed out Chaplik had a rough day and Fresenko wasn't his best. Look at the results though, and you'll see some clutch racing by Cedarville with guys 1-2 spots in front of almost every Malone runner 2-5. That's how they won, but Malone is going to be gunning for those yellow unis at GMAC. I think that makes a difference, especially as they seemed surprised by Cedarville's performance according to people earlier in the thread.

Hillsdale has progressed consistently all year, but just don't seem to have the horses (pun intended) this year. They needed 15-20 more spots out of their 4-5 each on Saturday and that was with a bigger low stick advantage than they'll have at GMACs. I just see that as hard to overcome. If it clicks on the right day they could be there, just seems like they need a perfect race from everyone which is tough.

I agree with most of what you said. One of the Chapliks had a rough day but to say Fresenko wasn't his best is a real stretch. That's like telling me that Noah Murray had a rough day and well that isn't true.

See you next week.

-JT

GreenKetchup wrote:

I agree with most of what you said. One of the Chapliks had a rough day but to say Fresenko wasn't his best is a real stretch. That's like telling me that Noah Murray had a rough day and well that isn't true.

See you next week.

-JT

You're right. I confused Fresenko with Cortelletti.

Word on the street is Kapes and Hadley will both toe the line, and they're ready to roll. Walsh about to cruise to an easy win scoring less than 25 points.

Streetwise wrote:

Word on the street is Kapes and Hadley will both toe the line, and they're ready to roll. Walsh about to cruise to an easy win scoring less than 25 points.

New word on the street is that Kapes and Hadley have transferred to Ohio Dominican. It will still be a close race since ODU has no depth beyond the ex-Walsh boys, but they will win the GMAC if nothing catastrophic happens.

Listen here boys there is a better chance I line up at Gliac than at Gmac. No I didn't transfer to ODU either, I'll have a surprise a whole lot better than that. Also, it's Kapes not Knapes... if your going to trash talk me at least spell my name correctly. If you guys were wondering I'm not back to running yet after peroneal tendon subluxation surgery, so its doubtful I'll even show face as a spectator let alone a competitor.

Trolololololol, hahaha. Funny you think you can pose as me! I've been rehabilitating my mind and body in Iten with James Ngandu. After his stellar half performance in Columbus I am confident that I'll be in the race to win.

Hey guys, I'm the real Stephen Knapes. These other guys are imposters. I've transfered to ODU and we are going to TAKE the gmac BY STORM. Ya'll aint ready for this.

Now that all the $hitposting has passed... I'll bump this thread so that we can talk about the course and conditions. What is Walsh's course like? Will it benefit the mid distance guys from Malone and Hillsdale or will it favor the grinders from Cedarville? Any last minute big workouts from any of the teams that show progress since Pre Nats?

Course is mostly flat with a few rolling hills. Certainly more likely to favor mid-d teams. That said, there is actually truth to the rumor Kapes and Hadley will be racing, so it's a race for 2nd behind Walsh at this point.

As an aside, I'd worry about any teams dropping big workouts right now this weekend. Probably not enough time to go to the well in a workout and still have a great race. Could bode well for Regionals though.