RoJo do you think a fit Siffan Hassan an defeat a fit Almaz Ayana at 10000m?

I'm calling BS here. You keep talking about these email contacts with no proof, except for some copy and past auto email message. There is no information in the news regarding Ayana being injured or having surgery.

He provides so many specifics in matter of fact fashion that only a fool would believe they weren't legit.

A fool or someone so biased against Ayana that his posts are more laughable than anything else. I envision a jack o lantern every time you post something about Ayana.

Awsi Dooger wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

I'm calling BS here. You keep talking about these email contacts with no proof, except for some copy and past auto email message. There is no information in the news regarding Ayana being injured or having surgery.

He provides so many specifics in matter of fact fashion that only a fool would believe they weren't legit.

A fool or someone so biased against Ayana that his posts are more laughable than anything else. I envision a jack o lantern every time you post something about Ayana.

That still isn't proof. It's not in the news, and I can see you are a follower, a 2+ 2= 5 type of guy. And he just follows up with their auto out of office emails. He does not follow up with OFFICIAL PRESS INFORMATION from agents, coaches, etc. ...So again I'm calling BS until OFFICIAL statements have been released. Post an official statement of Ayana being injured or even having surgery. One the biggest track stars on the planet has surgery and there is no news whatsoever about it? please.

Also, I'm just giving them what they gave me, by hijacking my Hassan 10000m thread with talks about Ayana doing this and that, when the thread wasn't about ayana. I give that same medicine back, now it's a problem? FOH

What isn't a problem, and what is factual is that ayana healthy or not ain't messing with 5000m, and hassan is coming for 10000m . So stay tune.

On paper (Top 10 all time at 1500 and 13.1), it seems that Hassan would be unbeatable at the 10,000 and 5000 but I know that's not true as she's lost several 5000s. So no, I think if Ayana runs as hard as she can, she wins.

But my question to you in return is simple. "Where in the hell is Ayana?" I know Jonathan Gault has asked her agency and received zero response.

Is she injured?

Pregnant?

Fighting a doping ban?

Retired (bored with ethe sport)?

rojo wrote:

On paper (Top 10 all time at 1500 and 13.1), it seems that Hassan would be unbeatable at the 10,000 and 5000 but I know that's not true as she's lost several 5000s. So no, I think if Ayana runs as hard as she can, she wins.

But my question to you in return is simple. "Where in the hell is Ayana?" I know Jonathan Gault has asked her agency and received zero response.

Is she injured?

Pregnant?

Fighting a doping ban?

Retired (bored with ethe sport)?

RoJo I’m very surprised you guys are in the dark re Ayana - perhaps they haven’t responded due to Jo athon Gault casting aspersions on her “legitimacy”

I have had regular and positive email discussions with Yvonne Van Haperen who is the personal assistant to Jos Hermens at Global Sports Communications.

She confirmed Almaz has been injured this year and has very recently had knee surgery in Switzerland. She is currently recovering at home in Addis Ababba and receiving intensive physio and medical support.

I'm calling BS here. You keep talking about these email contacts with no proof, except for some copy and past auto email message. There is no information in the news regarding Ayana being injured or having surgery.[/quote]

Scorpion if you are prepared to offer me a legitimate private Email /contact address, I am more than happy to forward you back and forth Email correspondence I have with her management team.

I am unsure as to why you insist on making this a hero verses villian scenario between Ayana and Hassan. - Why cant you,- like me and others, simply appreciate two great talents of distance running. You know full well it is very doable for them both to exist and compete in complete compliment to both themselves and the sport of distance running. We should all be celebrating the coming of age re competition in womens distance running, not trying to score points as to whom is best.

Serious question: For those of you who think Ayana would win at 10k, do you then think she would also take Hassan at the HM? Because it makes no sense Hassan would be better at 1500m (which she clearly is) and half, but not at 10k.

kartelite wrote:

Serious question: For those of you who think Ayana would win at 10k, do you then think she would also take Hassan at the HM? Because it makes no sense Hassan would be better at 1500m (which she clearly is) and half, but not at 10k.

We have to look at how things stand right now - Ayana is the WR holder at the 10K. - Two years ago these boards exploded with the fallout of the new record - doping accusations abounded simply because her time was so outstanding - And yet fast forward two years and we have a debate as to whether Hassan (who by the way has never run a 10K) could destroy Ayana at the event!!!!!

I dont recall many debates over whether Tedese should have beaten Bekele at 10k - despite him being the WR holder at HM.

As it stands Ayana would be favourite over the 10k I doubt anyone would be offering shorter odds on Hassan given Ayanas pedigree in the event.

Half marathon is up for debate - both have run one only and we arent comparing apples with apples in Delhi V Copenhagen.

And Hassans 1500 speed is only relevant if she is near Ayana when the bell lap rings - to date this has never been the case in her races.

VIPAM wrote:

Yeah but honestly there are alot of athletes dirty even in the U.S.A

Yes. Why "even"? In this context, it is worth recalling that Hassan was the only Dutch runner classified by the IAAF to be a likely doper in 2016 (the US had 4, Kenya 9).

Now she is with Salazar...

rojo wrote:

On paper (Top 10 all time at 1500 and 13.1), it seems that Hassan would be unbeatable at the 10,000 and 5000 but I know that's not true as she's lost several 5000s. So no, I think if Ayana runs as hard as she can, she wins.

But my question to you in return is simple. "Where in the hell is Ayana?" I know Jonathan Gault has asked her agency and received zero response.

Is she injured?

Pregnant?

Fighting a doping ban? ⬅the old tennis conspiracy, ha

Retired (bored with the sport)?

Ayana is in my top 3 "Most suspicious list"

People please, Hassan was in a 1/2 marathon race in which was WR attempt and she ran beaitifully; however, Ayana debut was a race not a WR attempt in which she said she ran conservatively and pulled away at the end for an easy win. Could she have run faster, yes but to win was her only concern in her debut (just like she did in her 10000m debut).

I agree Rojo if Ayana is fit and goes hard she wins. She will have to break Hassan before 1000m to go like she did Genzebe at Worlds 2015 5000m.

Thanks for this. Agree about the accusatory approach by Western journalists and media being counterproductive. It makes many Africans automatically defensive, or even resentful, causing them clam up whenever they’re confronted with what is (for them) disrespectful, unwarranted suspicion. I still cringe when I remember Kam being grilled about drugs (as if he would know) when he should’ve been celebrating his first marathon win.

I agree! - Having said that, I did give feedback that I was puzzled over no official release about her injury and suggested her profile be raised a little. I received a response indicating they agreed and may provide confirmation through official channels. - however the reason given for media silence seems to be that Almaz has been distraught at having to miss another season and was seemingly exploring all other recovery options prior to submitting to surgery. As such she sought privacy until the severity of the injury was both fully established and subsequently resolved.

It seems that if I can quite simply garner this information- and I have no links to Ethiopian running outside of Facebook, then it should be fairly simple for journalists who specialise in researching to follow the same path - it’s not difficult her husbands FB page is not privatised - all you will need is someone to accurately translate Amharic - unfortunately the google translate service is woeful with this language ?