m!ndweak wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
Only if you accept the premise that the epo worked even without the training.
The claim that epo enhances exercise performance at marathon pace doesn't make sense. Extra RBC's to carry more oxygen and co2 around between muscle and lungs are doing nothing when consumption is low.
Shifting burden fallacy allows claims that epo has an effect at such submaximal effort to go unproven. Explain how that happens rather than pointing out busts of elite runners, then assuming that other (including better, e.g. Kipchoge) elites are using epo too. It's not proven.
Extra RBC's do work at middle distance efforts when your gas-exchange levels are high, and cycling and skiing where long-distance events are like interval workouts of maximal effort and easy effort. But a marathoner never approaches that level except maybe the last 400m or so.
Indirectly, epo resulting in higher blood volume may delay dehydration, but you don't need a drug for that, just train in the heat. If that's Canova's "method" then he's right, but it works for everyone, not just elites. I speculate that epo's effect on marathon, if any, is actually like steroids - a recovery enhancement to allow heavier training without inducing anemia.
you must have missed it, multiple times posted....but anyways
rhEPO, in recent studies have shown that they SIGNIFICANTLY increase the size and number of mitochondria....now you tell me, or anyone else on here who thinks they are smarter than jonO.....what is more important in the aerobic respitory system
1) more rbcs?
or
2) more and larger mitochondria?
here is a simple explanation. with more and larger mitochondria, a greater % of the available 02 floating in the blood is absorbed into the cell for cellular function, the most important in any exercise is that of combining 02 with glucose to created ATP. the other bonus of more and larger mitochondria is the expulsion of C02 from the cell, and a greater capacity to store Calcium, which is ESSENTIAL in the contraction/extension of muscles.
but no lets keep talking about how EPO only raises the rbc a little bit....with more mitochondria using more of the available 02, this can keep an athlete from going passed the aerobic/anaerobic threshold. but im sure all you super coaches on here dont need me to remind you of that....sh*t the whole purpose of AT practices is to get your body used to red lining for as long as possible in hopes you increase your tolerance level. the man (or woman) who can run the longest at the fastest rate of speed at or below the AT level will win...like holy sh*t people act like coaching is some huge mind blowing thing.
you train base endurance up to 6 weeks, then 3, 3-4 weeks of differing energy systems, with 2-3 weeks of peaking...rest then start over.
then you have coaches claim they have some "new" secret in training, some new philosophy, some new method...blah blah blah
how long have we known about periodization? how long have we known about training at altitude? how long have we known about interval training? how long have coaches been saying they have the newest trick and its prob a PED instead?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3299978/
That's good stuff there Chad. ?