The Three Ethiopians should make a 5000m WR attempt soon

No world record anytime soon. These 3 had their perfect race and it doesn't get any better than that.

Bekele was doped to the gills and ran the WR basically solo, these three are doped as well but couldn't get close enough even with good pacing.

if you have 4 pace setters and run them TWO WIDE close together, the drafting advantage goes way up to 1.5 seconds per lap over solo. perfect conditions a bekele in his day goes 4 min mile pace all the way my friends.

artojas wrote:

No world record anytime soon. These 3 had their perfect race and it doesn't get any better than that.

Bekele was doped to the gills and ran the WR basically solo, these three are doped as well but couldn't get close enough even with good pacing.

correct, the close to perfect race comes along only once in many years, unless you are el G, and you have a basket of pacers,

el G being capable of 324, could knock off many 326 7, races literally at will.

he never got the perfect race.

Barega and Gebrehiwet ran the victory lap without Kejelcha. Barega and Kejelcha don't seem to be on friendly terms. A qualified guess it that the other Ethos aren't either, at least not too much, I'm pretty sure that they (and their coaches) have told each other "fudge that guy who thinks he need to go to the US/NOP to be the best in the World, we'll ramp things up back home and we'll kick his arse!". That's what I would do if I was their coach. That's what you would do to in the same situation.

Also - after this Nike/NOP won't let Kejelcha run against Barega again until the World Champs final next year. It will be total mind game up until then. If any of the early DL next year can afford both chanses are 100% that one of them will run the 3000 flat (or the 1500) and the other the 5000 with a sit and kick finish and an as impressive last lap as possible.

Great theory, but I reckon it is more to do with Kejelcha and Barega trying to pull each others shorts down after they collided in a diamond league ewrleir this year.

Barega gave Kejelcha a high five-ish greeting and looks to be in a good mood just before race start (you can see it on youtube). Hard to tell if it's some kind mind games, or they actually are on good terms...

i would imagine there would be more pressure/support back home for a crack at a 'kenyan' wr such as 3k? leave king kenny's 5k and try and start an across the board EPOpia record sweep.

frenemies ? wrote:

Barega gave Kejelcha a high five-ish greeting and looks to be in a good mood just before race start (you can see it on youtube). Hard to tell if it's some kind mind games, or they actually are on good terms...

I bet Kejelcha is not friendly with Barega anymore.

First Barega trips him up in the last 100m of the last time they raced.

Now he sits on Kejelcha for 12.0 laps when there was the possibility of breaking the WR and not helping Kejelcha out for a moment.

I bet with the money Kejelcha is getting paid now by the NOP he wasn't as concerned with winning the DL bonus money as he was with running a super fast time.

Halfway through the 2nd kilometre you can see him tell the pacers to hurry the F up.

Maybe that track is few meters short ;)

It was an amazing performance, obviously we always doubt those kind of performances, but remember you gotta be a very talented person to achieve that even if with the help of EPO.

I still believe Bekele was a much stronger runner and I think he could have run around 12:30 with longer pacing. When he ran 12:37 he ran by himself the last 3000m and the weather wasn’t that nice like in Brussels.

said88 wrote:

The 5000m WR probably is too good, but they should go for the 2 Miles. While not leading for the biggest part, both Barega and Kejelcha should have a serious chance to run sub 8.

Does the Rieti meeting definitely not exist anymore?

This. Kejelcha could probably break it.

Subway Surfers wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

within next couple of weeks, with better pacemakers.

Kejelcha may be raced out, maybe even Barega. But maybe not. And Gebrhiwet had done nothing all season but a mediocre 13:16 and couple of ~7:37's; after he recovers from yesterday, he might become superhuman for the next month.

They have to try.

So Berega runs the last 3k in 7:31 when his best is 7:37 while Gebrhiwet, who nobody has seen for years, was like a couple of seconds off his 3k best. Are you not at all suspicious?

More than suspicious , let's say almost sure. The big question that I have is why Mr Hajo Seppelt that has made documentary

about doping in Kenia ( and also thanks to him that things begin to change there with lot of positive) or also in Russia with his documentary about doping. And I think also in China back in 2008 .

Mr Hajo Seppelt , what about Epothiopia ? I think there will be a great story down there to talk about.

Interestingly, there has been very few Ethiopian PED positives in the past as compared with Kenyans, Nigerians... I can only think of three or four.

Bluesky wrote:

[quote]Subway Surfers wrote:

More than suspicious , let's say almost sure. The big question that I have is why Mr Hajo Seppelt that has made documentary

about doping in Kenia ( and also thanks to him that things begin to change there with lot of positive) or also in Russia with his documentary about doping. And I think also in China back in 2008 .

Mr Hajo Seppelt , what about Epothiopia ? I think there will be a great story down there to talk about.

Seppelt did go to Ethiopia and showed that they did no testing at some national champs or key local meet, though they claimed they were testing there.

Neither Berlin, Zagreb or Ostrava had a 5000 scheduled. Berlin is done but can't Zagreb or Ostrava add a 5000 just for the hell of it? Can't the NOP set up their own race in Portland?

Yup, its all about the red cells.

Hmm. Not in the same stratosphere? Ingebrigtsen's best is 3:31.18. Geb ran 12:39 and his best was 3:31.76i. Bekele ran 12:37 and his best was 3:32.35. 624 3:32.35 Kenenisa Bekele ETH 13.06.82 2 Shanghai 28.09.2007

Bad Wigins wrote:

You're a noob wrote:

Jakob didn't show that he has the ability to run 3:52/3:31 from his indoor season either.

3:31 is not in the same stratosphere as 12:45.

The big wild card here, and everyone who has ran competitively knows its true, is Gebrhiwet is vastly improved out of nowhere, even compared to a month ago. That means he has NOT peaked. That he has hardly raced at all only adds to the likelihood that he could go well below 12:45 within the next month if set up properly.

There is no next year! Maybe they'll get injured, maybe they'll burn out. Now or never.

There were 10 Meldonium positives among Ethiopians, but most got off the hook because meldonium turned out to stay in the system long enough to have been ingested prior to the ban coming into effect. There were also positives from Elvan Abeylegesse (former Ethiopian) and Aregawi (another former Ethiopian, meldonium).

The guys who are top level contenders for medals (like Mo, Barega, Kejelcha, Edris) are always capable of pulling off a race like this or faster each season, but its soooooo difficult that they would rather run 13:XX. Collect the prize, your still the best and now you can race more in a season with a longer career. They are career runners, why not protect your career and add longevity.

Maybe Barega and Keljacha can muster the strength for another go. I think they went to well and got their fill.

BUT! Gebrhiwet for the 10,000m WR....you heard it here first

Bad Wigins wrote:

Neither Berlin, Zagreb or Ostrava had a 5000 scheduled. Berlin is done but can't Zagreb or Ostrava add a 5000 just for the hell of it? Can't the NOP set up their own race in Portland?

Rieti would normally be the obvious answer, but that is no longer???