Hey Smoove! If you're reading.... Are you still going to race this if the weather is super hot? Or will you save your fitness for another close race?
Hey Smoove! If you're reading.... Are you still going to race this if the weather is super hot? Or will you save your fitness for another close race?
Gravy wrote:
Hey Smoove! If you're reading.... Are you still going to race this if the weather is super hot? Or will you save your fitness for another close race?
Why is Smoove the subject of so much dislike? He seems genuine and not a troll like some of the more illustrious posters here.
Regardless of weather, I'll be drunk and cheering y'all on!!
Marathon Sunday - it's electric in Chicago!!
Oh Please wrote:
Gravy wrote:
Hey Smoove! If you're reading.... Are you still going to race this if the weather is super hot? Or will you save your fitness for another close race?
Why is Smoove the subject of so much dislike? He seems genuine and not a troll like some of the more illustrious posters here.
Not sure. I'm honestly asking the question.
I am racing either way - if it gets too hot (like a forecast in the 70s), I will probably adjust my goal and focus on trying for a top 3 45-49 age group finish rather than focusing on the sub 2:30.
Oh Please wrote:
Gravy wrote:
Hey Smoove! If you're reading.... Are you still going to race this if the weather is super hot? Or will you save your fitness for another close race?
Why is Smoove the subject of so much dislike? He seems genuine and not a troll like some of the more illustrious posters here.
Mainly because he complains a lot. When he performs poorly he blames it on something - weather, niggle, injury, etc. It's never his training or just a bad day.
I generally will ignore trolls - especially since it is mostly just one or two guys who are posting under various names, but I simply do not make excuses. I am very open and forthright in what is happening in my training and racing, with most of that coming through the weekly training and racing where there is a constant conversation, a back and forth. Like most of the other regular posters on that thread, I go into a fair amount of detail as to what is happening with my body and in my training, and how my races unfolded, but that is a wholly different thing that making excuses. You can find plenty of posts by me where I acknowledge that I just had a bad day on race day.
From my thread leading into Boston 2017, with these posts coming over the course of a few months:
- "Unfortunately, my race today didn't go as planned. I was hoping to run 15:50 as I said in my prior update (and based on my workouts), that remained a reasonable goal, but I could only manage a 16:04 (5:08.9, 5:11.6, 5:12.3, :31.3). Lots of little factors that I could use as excuses, but none of them really amounted to much - I'm just in 16:04 or so shape."
- "I've been using Saltstick Fastchews. I went 21.25 today after racing yesterday and no cramping despite temps in the upper 60s when I was finishing up. I've wondered about the fitness thing. I went out too hard in my last marathon for the first mile, but then settled in and felt pretty good and went through the half in 1:14:0x. Aside from the first mile, that was about on goal pace. I'd put in the requisite work - had peaked at 100 miles, etc. Still, I always wonder if the 5:20ish first mile came back to bite me later or if I had simply overestimated my fitness. I honestly don't think that because I felt capable of holding pace in every way except my calves. The cramping this training cycle has been occurring on warm days too. But of course, by necessity, I jacked my workload up pretty quickly and the cumulative fatigue could've played a role too.
So I can see both side of he fitness/electrolyte argument. I really don't know, but I will tell you that the salt tabs have definitely made my recovery better today. Maybe it's the placebo effect, but I will take it either way."
- "Honestly, it is down to how things go on race day. I am really happy with how I feel: I am healthy with no appreciable aches or pains, my mileage was solid, I got in almost all of my workouts, my legs feel relatively fresh, my weight is in the right range, etc. But the marathon is a long way to go and lots of things can happen. I have controlled all that I can control, and now I just have to hope that I don't do anything dumb on race day and that nothing unexpected happens."
- "2:34:40, 3rd age group, 94th overall. Calves locked up at 18 and it was a battle from there. It as fast as I would've wanted, but I absolutely left it all out there."
Then, in response to someone asking for details on how the race went, I provided a more detailed race report which included a discussion of my cramping issues , which can be found here (I will let objective readers decide for themselves to what extent I am the kind of guy who makes excuses):
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7616748&page=6
Updated forecast: 54 low / 63 high. Mostly cloudy. 30 days to go. Good luck everyone in your final big workouts before the taper.
No change. 54 / 63 mostly cloudy. 26 days to go.
What are you are seeing is mostly the climatological norms for the day. My model indicates that the low will be mid-high 60s, rising well into the 70s for the race. Humidity will be an issue, and there could be some showers.
Nerve. Hit.
Smoove wrote:
I generally will ignore trolls - especially since it is mostly just one or two guys who are posting under various names, but I simply do not make excuses. I am very open and forthright in what is happening in my training and racing, with most of that coming through the weekly training and racing where there is a constant conversation, a back and forth. Like most of the other regular posters on that thread, I go into a fair amount of detail as to what is happening with my body and in my training, and how my races unfolded, but that is a wholly different thing that making excuses. You can find plenty of posts by me where I acknowledge that I just had a bad day on race day.
From my thread leading into Boston 2017, with these posts coming over the course of a few months:
- "Unfortunately, my race today didn't go as planned. I was hoping to run 15:50 as I said in my prior update (and based on my workouts), that remained a reasonable goal, but I could only manage a 16:04 (5:08.9, 5:11.6, 5:12.3, :31.3). Lots of little factors that I could use as excuses, but none of them really amounted to much - I'm just in 16:04 or so shape."
- "I've been using Saltstick Fastchews. I went 21.25 today after racing yesterday and no cramping despite temps in the upper 60s when I was finishing up. I've wondered about the fitness thing. I went out too hard in my last marathon for the first mile, but then settled in and felt pretty good and went through the half in 1:14:0x. Aside from the first mile, that was about on goal pace. I'd put in the requisite work - had peaked at 100 miles, etc. Still, I always wonder if the 5:20ish first mile came back to bite me later or if I had simply overestimated my fitness. I honestly don't think that because I felt capable of holding pace in every way except my calves. The cramping this training cycle has been occurring on warm days too. But of course, by necessity, I jacked my workload up pretty quickly and the cumulative fatigue could've played a role too.
So I can see both side of he fitness/electrolyte argument. I really don't know, but I will tell you that the salt tabs have definitely made my recovery better today. Maybe it's the placebo effect, but I will take it either way."
- "Honestly, it is down to how things go on race day. I am really happy with how I feel: I am healthy with no appreciable aches or pains, my mileage was solid, I got in almost all of my workouts, my legs feel relatively fresh, my weight is in the right range, etc. But the marathon is a long way to go and lots of things can happen. I have controlled all that I can control, and now I just have to hope that I don't do anything dumb on race day and that nothing unexpected happens."
- "2:34:40, 3rd age group, 94th overall. Calves locked up at 18 and it was a battle from there. It as fast as I would've wanted, but I absolutely left it all out there."
Then, in response to someone asking for details on how the race went, I provided a more detailed race report which included a discussion of my cramping issues , which can be found here (I will let objective readers decide for themselves to what extent I am the kind of guy who makes excuses):
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7616748&page=6
bulls eye wrote:
Nerve. Hit.
Smoove wrote:
I generally will ignore trolls - especially since it is mostly just one or two guys who are posting under various names, but I simply do not make excuses. I am very open and forthright in what is happening in my training and racing, with most of that coming through the weekly training and racing where there is a constant conversation, a back and forth. Like most of the other regular posters on that thread, I go into a fair amount of detail as to what is happening with my body and in my training, and how my races unfolded, but that is a wholly different thing that making excuses. You can find plenty of posts by me where I acknowledge that I just had a bad day on race day.
From my thread leading into Boston 2017, with these posts coming over the course of a few months:
- "Unfortunately, my race today didn't go as planned. I was hoping to run 15:50 as I said in my prior update (and based on my workouts), that remained a reasonable goal, but I could only manage a 16:04 (5:08.9, 5:11.6, 5:12.3, :31.3). Lots of little factors that I could use as excuses, but none of them really amounted to much - I'm just in 16:04 or so shape."
- "I've been using Saltstick Fastchews. I went 21.25 today after racing yesterday and no cramping despite temps in the upper 60s when I was finishing up. I've wondered about the fitness thing. I went out too hard in my last marathon for the first mile, but then settled in and felt pretty good and went through the half in 1:14:0x. Aside from the first mile, that was about on goal pace. I'd put in the requisite work - had peaked at 100 miles, etc. Still, I always wonder if the 5:20ish first mile came back to bite me later or if I had simply overestimated my fitness. I honestly don't think that because I felt capable of holding pace in every way except my calves. The cramping this training cycle has been occurring on warm days too. But of course, by necessity, I jacked my workload up pretty quickly and the cumulative fatigue could've played a role too.
So I can see both side of he fitness/electrolyte argument. I really don't know, but I will tell you that the salt tabs have definitely made my recovery better today. Maybe it's the placebo effect, but I will take it either way."
- "Honestly, it is down to how things go on race day. I am really happy with how I feel: I am healthy with no appreciable aches or pains, my mileage was solid, I got in almost all of my workouts, my legs feel relatively fresh, my weight is in the right range, etc. But the marathon is a long way to go and lots of things can happen. I have controlled all that I can control, and now I just have to hope that I don't do anything dumb on race day and that nothing unexpected happens."
- "2:34:40, 3rd age group, 94th overall. Calves locked up at 18 and it was a battle from there. It as fast as I would've wanted, but I absolutely left it all out there."
Then, in response to someone asking for details on how the race went, I provided a more detailed race report which included a discussion of my cramping issues , which can be found here (I will let objective readers decide for themselves to what extent I am the kind of guy who makes excuses):
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7616748&page=6
LOL
If the current forecast holds AJ predicts that Smoove runs 2:29 and sends the trolls home DEVASTATED!!!
Smoove wrote:
I am racing either way - if it gets too hot (like a forecast in the 70s), I will probably adjust my goal and focus on trying for a top 3 45-49 age group finish rather than focusing on the sub 2:30.
I have no idea who you are, but please ignore the idiots who have nothing better to do in life but rip on you for putting it out there. The only thing you can ask of yourself is to simply run the best race you can on that day. People ripping you anonymously are insecure as they get off on it bothering you, don't let it. I for one hope you break it, good luck dude!
Who cares what the forecast says 1 month in advance? It doesn't mean anything. Good luck Smoove.
Hardloper wrote:
Who cares what the forecast says 1 month in advance? It doesn't mean anything. Good luck Smoove.
who is smoove and yes, I truly don't know and am just curious. thanks
Update: 52 low / 62 high. Cloudy. For those of us in the southern US those conditions are dreamy. 24 days to go.
Smoove is a regular poster who has run 2:31 as a master and offers good training advice. He won the male masters title a few years ago at Chicago but lost the overall masters title because he got chicked by Deena Kastor. Some of us like to give him a hard time about that.
Continues to look much warmer than that in my proprietary model. Will be well into the 60s and humid by the start, and will either be uncomfortably warm or a "shutdown the race" bloodbath heatwave race. Definitely no AR for Rupp.
angryjohnny wrote:
Smoove is a regular poster who has run 2:31 as a master and offers good training advice. He won the male masters title a few years ago at Chicago but lost the overall masters title because he got chicked by Deena Kastor. Some of us like to give him a hard time about that.
For the record, it was 2:30 (although only by a few seconds).
jimcantore wrote:
Continues to look much warmer than that in my proprietary model. Will be well into the 60s and humid by the start, and will either be uncomfortably warm or a "shutdown the race" bloodbath heatwave race. Definitely no AR for Rupp.
Ive about had enough of your model cantore. Shouldn’t you be standing on a beach in the Carolinas right now?
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