Kenyan 800m Word medallist Kipyegon Bett Suspended After Refusing Drugs Test

Actually this side topic came from you, specifically asking me to explain how EPO fails for 0.1% of the population -- something I never said, so have no explanation for, since the idea was conceived inside your own head. You must have been aware of my "not more than 1%" estimate -- something else you specifically asked from me, and yet you still persist in asking nonsense questions about claims I never made. It's paradoxical for you and others to specifically ask me to provide more details, and then to tell me to be quiet when I answer. I felt that directing others to read the other thread was the best way to avoid hijacking this one. While you are waiting for the names of the Kenyans, maybe in the meantime, you can stop avoiding answering Renato's very specific questions about the relation of different levels of various kinds of training to the blood and O2 parameters in the study you found interesting, and if possible, link all of that to performance.

m!ndweak wrote:

umm no i dont want to go through that painful stupidity ever again...now stop trying to hijack this thread with your self proclaimed magna opus ...

we are WAITING for the TWO KENYAN runners who are busted...one of them is supposed to be a HIGH PROFILE...WHO IS IT!?!?!?!?!?!

So what better way to NOT hijack this thread than to direct someone to the other thread?

trollism wrote:

m!ndweak wrote:

umm no i dont want to go through that painful stupidity ever again...now stop trying to hijack this thread with your self proclaimed magna opus ...

we are WAITING for the TWO KENYAN runners who are busted...one of them is supposed to be a HIGH PROFILE...WHO IS IT!?!?!?!?!?!

I'm with mindweak on this one.

You've got loads of threads you can post your 'EPO doesn't work on my favourite athletes' stuff rekrunner. This thread is for big fat Kenyan cheaters and who the next two (no doubt not the last two) are going to be.

The effect of EPO is completely irrelevant. It is listed as an illegal substance. If you get caught you get banned. It is as simple as that.

rekrunner wrote:

So what better way to NOT hijack this thread than to direct someone to the other thread?

trollism wrote:

I'm with mindweak on this one.

You've got loads of threads you can post your 'EPO doesn't work on my favourite athletes' stuff rekrunner. This thread is for big fat Kenyan cheaters and who the next two (no doubt not the last two) are going to be.

Haha, 'the other thread' implies there is only one other that you've endlessly bored everyone on with the same repetitive drivel.

Have a day off.

I would not argue against that -- but there are many here who thinks being banned for EPO "proves" a significant performance effect, and that denying a significant performance effect, while simultaneously supporting a sanction for taking a banned substance, is the same as "doping apologist".

Semiler wrote:

The effect of EPO is completely irrelevant. It is listed as an illegal substance. If you get caught you get banned. It is as simple as that.

I only directed "Survey Says...." to one other thread. I have made an offer a couple times to stop participating in these threads, subject to some conditions: - Stop attributing false ideas to me, that I never said (i.e. "EPO doesn't work on my favorite athletes") - Stop asking me the same questions I've already answered -- the answers which seems to bore you

trollism wrote:

Haha, 'the other thread' implies there is only one other that you've endlessly bored everyone on with the same repetitive drivel.

Have a day off.

trollism wrote:

m!ndweak wrote:

umm no i dont want to go through that painful stupidity ever again...now stop trying to hijack this thread with your self proclaimed magna opus ...

we are WAITING for the TWO KENYAN runners who are busted...one of them is supposed to be a HIGH PROFILE...WHO IS IT!?!?!?!?!?!

I'm with mindweak on this one.

You've got loads of threads you can post your 'EPO doesn't work on my favourite athletes' stuff rekrunner. This thread is for big fat Kenyan cheaters and who the next two (no doubt not the last two) are going to be.

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nice man....and im posting this to try and break up the bragathon being laid upon us by rekrunner...dude give it up....no one cares about YOUR OPINION....your not a doc, your not a professional.....EPO is a banned substance, EPO makes people faster....this is not about YOU. this is about kenyans getting busted and we are waiting for the next two to be named....what none of us want, is to have to scroll down 8 pages of you bragging and boasting about how much smarter you think you are then the rest of us....and GOD man stop linking your annoying self proclaimed magna opus already. if you are soooo smart, go write a f*cking book about it

You asked me to talk about it. Stop blaming me for hijacking the thread when you invited me specifically to give my opinion. I don't explicitly brag about being smarter than you, but let our words speak for themselves. If you've concluded I'm smarter than you, I guess that tells us something about how secure you are about your arguments.

m!ndweak wrote:

nice man....and im posting this to try and break up the bragathon being laid upon us by rekrunner...dude give it up....no one cares about YOUR OPINION....your not a doc, your not a professional.....EPO is a banned substance, EPO makes people faster....this is not about YOU. this is about kenyans getting busted and we are waiting for the next two to be named....what none of us want, is to have to scroll down 8 pages of you bragging and boasting about how much smarter you think you are then the rest of us....and GOD man stop linking your annoying self proclaimed magna opus already. if you are soooo smart, go write a f*cking book about it

rekrunner wrote:

I only directed "Survey Says...." to one other thread.

I have made an offer a couple times to stop participating in these threads, subject to some conditions:

- Stop attributing false ideas to me, that I never said (i.e. "EPO doesn't work on my favorite athletes")

- Stop asking me the same questions I've already answered -- the answers which seems to bore you

trollism wrote:

Haha, 'the other thread' implies there is only one other that you've endlessly bored everyone on with the same repetitive drivel.

Have a day off.

so you make this claim as if you are some sort of GOD on here? you cant force us to abide by YOUR conditions

i asked you multiple times who you were and i got BANNED....someone got all sad and crybaby about it, yet you think you can flood threads with annoying nonsense and fallacies , make threats to us for not agreeing with you...then you post sh*t like this

"hmmmff i would stop if you guys would subject yourselves to MY conditions"

here is the reality rek...very few people would be my guess, want you on LR let alone THESE threads ANYWAY...your like the annoying kid that keeps trying to hang out with a group that doesnt want him around

"hmmmff i will stop hanging out with you guys UNDER 5 conditions" as if we are being privileged by your presence. no your annoying, boastful, a liar and a coward. and when people call you out you cry to the mods (very annoying), have threads gutted, (very annoying), hijack threads, (very annoying), and try and talk to us all like we are 5 years old and you are some 55 yr old never married no children SOCIAL WORKER. this is also very annoying.

you get mad that people mock you, then you cry to the mods...why dont you just leave threads like this ALONE? we dont want you, we dont need you...and i think renato is a big enough man to not need you to translate what you think he thinks

now....back to the POINT

who are the 2 KENYANS? my guess is beatrice and timmay!

invited you? why would i invite you to annoy me? thats like wiping my a$$ with barrel cactus....

I think it's not too much to ask to stop lying about me, and to stop asking me my opinions if you don't care.

These are two reasons why I "dont just leave threads like this ALONE".

I cannot explain your decision process.

m!ndweak wrote:

invited you? why would i invite you to annoy me? thats like wiping my a$$ with barrel cactus....

These are examples of some of the lies I often feel compelled to respond to. None of these are true statements, and none of these are on topic, and all of them are deflections of whatever the main topic was -- it is you who create all these distractions with fabrications originating in your own mind.

m!ndweak wrote:

when people call you out you cry to the mods (very annoying), have threads gutted, (very annoying), hijack threads, (very annoying), and try and talk to us all like we are 5 years old and you are some 55 yr old never married no children SOCIAL WORKER. this is also very annoying.

you get mad that people mock you, then you cry to the mods...

trollism wrote:

m!ndweak wrote:

umm no i dont want to go through that painful stupidity ever again...now stop trying to hijack this thread with your self proclaimed magna opus ...

we are WAITING for the TWO KENYAN runners who are busted...one of them is supposed to be a HIGH PROFILE...WHO IS IT!?!?!?!?!?!

I'm with mindweak on this one.

You've got loads of threads you can post your 'EPO doesn't work on my favourite athletes' stuff rekrunner. This thread is for big fat Kenyan cheaters and who the next two (no doubt not the last two) are going to be.

Rekrunner is obviously a paid shill. He's supposed to be an IT worker in London, yet spends hours every day derailing every single doping thread into an 'EPO doesn't work' discussion. I wonder how come his boss hasn't said something to him yet. Oh, I know. Because his boss is obviously a bent Kenyan athletics official, or maybe an Italian coach, or even the King of Morocco or El G himself.

AK has one of them at the top of their Twitter, but the idiots haven't had the sense to remove it yet.

https://twitter.com/athletics_kenya?lang=en

That would be great to be paid for this! Sadly I do it for free. Part of why it's annoying when people lie about me, is that they cannot tell what is real and which are the fabricated lies. Not to mention, for all this talk about me being boring, and nobody cares about me, it seems that many people care enough to speculate who I am, what I do, and where I live. Who supposes I'm an IT worker in London? I'm based on the European continent. And I have absolutely no connections to any "Kenyan athletics official, or maybe an Italian coach, or even the King of Morocco or El G himself".

ItsTooObvious wrote:

Rekrunner is obviously a paid shill. He's supposed to be an IT worker in London, yet spends hours every day derailing every single doping thread into an 'EPO doesn't work' discussion. I wonder how come his boss hasn't said something to him yet. Oh, I know. Because his boss is obviously a bent Kenyan athletics official, or maybe an Italian coach, or even the King of Morocco or El G himself.

BTW, Nick Willis DOES read these boards. To think that he has read the disgraceful doping apologist posts from the likes of rekrunner, El K, vivalarepublica, Nipples, and the rest of the crazy gang...

https://twitter.com/nickwillis/status/1032628684547604480

BigNickWillisFan wrote:

BTW, Nick Willis DOES read these boards. To think that he has read the disgraceful doping apologist posts from the likes of rekrunner, El K, vivalarepublica, Nipples, and the rest of the crazy gang...

https://twitter.com/nickwillis/status/1032628684547604480

Hey Coevett, you racist imbecile!

yeah i wonder if nick willis had my back and said so, maybe rek would shut up all ready about hassling me...like dude come on man, i post MEDICAL research papers and he calls me names, i post MEDICAL research papers and says i pull sh*t out of my a$$. i posted the latest MEDICAL RESEARCH PAPER from 2016, that their results showed PROFOUND changes in the number of mitochondria and how large they grew.

now i dont know, maybe rekrunner has a Phd in physiology.....my bett , is NOT, as he seems to try and argue with medical papers with his OPINION. but anyways rhEPO not only INCREASES the runners amount of red blood cells above NATURAL levels, it now is shown in the 2016 paper i linked earlier that it makes more and larger mitochondria than NATURALLY. now lets see here...more and larger mitochondria? like the cell that is responsible for all that ATP energy? nah making more and larger mitochondria wouldnt help a runner at all nope, not what i believe nope no way