Kilian Kornet wins 6th Zierre Zinal, Americans Megan Kimmel and Joe Gray place 3rd and 11th respectively

And thanks man...I think we actually mostly agree on a lot of things and make the same points. I also appreciate that you take the same stance on doping being an issue in the sport of mountain-ultra-trail running. PED use is definitely an issue.

That makes sense, I remember Kilian winning Mt Marathon, it's only 5k but it's obviously this insanely steep and technical race, and he can also win very long and tough races like Hard rock too.

I did get caught up in the whole distance duration thing. Being able to run hard for 30 minutes on one surface doesn't mean you can do just as well in the same amount of time on another surface.

No problem, myself and others enjoy your posts on here. I'm glad with agree on stuff too.

I understand it isn't always practical or advisable for pros to engage with anonymous message boarders, but it's really great when everyone is eager to learn from one another, and I think it gives the sport some much needed transparency.

I had to double check that I was still on LRC while reading this thread. No insults or name calling, just respectful expressing of logic based opinions. Congratulations to all.

but face it, you still had a loser bring up "if a marathon runner ran the race...he could win..." blah blah blah. So you know it's pretty typical of LRC.

There is no incentive to dope, monetarily.

UTMB is finally offering prize money this year and it's a paltry $2000 euro to trash your body beyond recognition. I'll pass.

built for climbing.......... wrote:

Those little tiny spindly legged marathoners running 2:05 wouldn't have a chance in the mountains at a race like UTMB.

Yuki would have a chance though. He is one tough runner!!

Snapped Angles wrote:

Would be funny to watch the "A" class African on a technical rocky descent. Probably snap an ankle in the first 10m

Would be funny if the suburban, white Letsrun posters who make assumptions about tiny spindly legged "A" class Africans realized that most of the Kalenjin and Maasai runners spent their childhood and youth running/playing barefoot, building strong musculoskeletal structure. Additionally, a majority of their local training is done on dirt roads, village walking paths and mountain trails.

Did you think they're just running on asphalt, buffed bike paths and indoor treadmills? Is there any evidence that drives this LRC narrative of fast road/track Africans being "broken" by trail/mountain running???

[quote]S. Canaday wrote:

You're too stuck up on the distance when it is the nature of the course (profile, climbing, trail type) that I think matters the most. Kilian will only do "real mountain races" for example. It could be a VK or 100-miles but he focuses on legit mountain races purely.

And that is why Kilian is smarter than you and l'm not even talking about his running capacity. You Sage, are all over the place, participate in many and excel in nothing. Classic recipe for mediocrity and constant frustration.

okl;jkk wrote:

There is no incentive to dope, monetarily.

UTMB is finally offering prize money this year and it's a paltry $2000 euro to trash your body beyond recognition. I'll pass.

The any relatively "small" amount of prize money (if there even is any...many MUT races have no prize money) isn't the real incentive...although I will say $10,000 to win TNF50 in SF is pretty good....as well as $40,000 to win at a race like Comrades.

No, the incentive is this:

Imagine if you could quit your day job and become a full time runner (more or less)

Imagine if you were invited to travel all around the world and run in some of the most beautiful places

Imagine if you started gaining tens of thousands of social media followers and people wanted your autograph and picture.

There are some life changing international travel perks and sponsorship perks for doing well in the sport of Mountain-Ultra-Trail running (I didn't even get into the shoes/gear part!) and I imagine that boosts the ego for some. Guys dope on the roads for a lot less.

I don't know because I'm clean, but I imagine dopers would justify it somehow to themselves (despite me seeing it like you are cheating yourself). I think ultimately it must come down to an ego thing....we've seen it a lot in cycling and we see it on the roads and track.

I am not a "loser" for sharing my opinion (which has good points), and then having a polite discussion with one of the more prominent posters on here.

Amazing. Every word of what you just said, was wrong.

-Luke Skywalker

joecrunner wrote:

Amazing. Every word of what you just said, was wrong.

-Luke Skywalker

Hi Sandi!

Lol, first I am a loser now I am Sage's wife.

I'm glad you recognised yourself as the person to again try to compare African Marathon runners to winning trail races.

It's a little sad.

No, what's sad is how certain people like you in the MUT community get very defensive whenever that opinion is expressed, and often try to gatekeep, for example "I bet those skinny africans would break their legs."

I never once insulted any ultra or trail runner in my post, so either you are a troll or you are the type of person I'm referring to. So go ahead, call me names. It's this exact bubble of exceptionalism that makes people on here poke fun at trail runners. Because you guys always get super defensive, especially when trail runners are accused of doping.

So step off your high horse please.

Are there videos of this? Wondering if any of these races are captured on film. Would love to watch.

Wow, I really hit a nerve.

You insult all of the time whenever you start the "Could a sub 2:10 marathoner win this race" rubbish. Sorry "after specific mountain training"(that makes it all better). Maybe just recognise the guys who are leading the field as quality athletes instead of trying to downplay their achievements by claiming crazy hypotheticals.

Maybe instead of replying you can start another thread if a sub 14:00 5km'er is could win UTMB - you know "with specific mountain training"

yes, Salomon Running has filmed the last few.

I thought Pablo Vigil still had the CR?