Dixlap wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
According to Jack Daniels his 10,000 time is equivalent to 12:49. Are you saying that Rupp couldn't have beaten Ritz decisively at 5000?
Ritz on dope was better at 5000m than Galen on dope.
I stand corrected.
Dixlap wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
According to Jack Daniels his 10,000 time is equivalent to 12:49. Are you saying that Rupp couldn't have beaten Ritz decisively at 5000?
Ritz on dope was better at 5000m than Galen on dope.
I stand corrected.
Dixlap wrote:
Paul Chelimo is clearly a better track runner than Galen Rupp and could likely break any US records that Galen has, including Galen’s 26:44. Paul Chelimo will also likely run a faster marathon than Galen if he eventually moves up. While some may argue the point, it seems obvious that Paul Chelimo will go down in history as a better runner than Galen Rupp. Galen. Galen never came close to winning a Diamond League event and Paul has already done so.
hahaha. Chelimo is small potatoes. Small Kenyan potatoes. Galen never got chance to run in a fast 5000 in his 5k prime. If this race happened 5-6 years ago, it would have been a 12:45 for Galen easily. Remember, he never got into a really fast 10000 (with all the top guys in a Brussels or Monaco) either yet he still managed a 26:44. He is ridiculous!
Even True would have run at least 12:55 several years ago in his prime if he was in a race like this.
+1
Look, I'm a Rupp fan but he had his chances at a faster 5k. He actually threw it down a couple times in 2014 on the Diamond Circuit, tried to break open the run in the 4th kilometer and it drained his kick away. Rupp earned a 4th in the world 5000 ranking in 2014, it was his best competitive year in the event but he didn't break 13:00 that year.
I admired his running that year over 5000, he ran tough and smart and really earned that ranking.
I also expected him to beat Lagat in the 5000 in the 2012 Olympics and he did not. Remember, he outkicked Bernard in the trials. I do think there could have been moments when Rupp could have beat his 12:58 PR, but that's behind him now.
runnerguy315 wrote:
Was Galen's 10000m AR in Eugene not a DL win?
NO! it was not. Like most DL meets, the prefontaine classic has lots of events that aren't part of DL competition.
The 10,000 AR was a Rupp-certified time trial set up just for him.
Is Chelimo not running for the Army anymore?
So what you are saying is: You hate Galen Rupp. You love Paul Chelimo. Correct?
Rupp (who has two Olympic medals) won't lose any sleep over it. It won't make Paul Chelimo any better or worse that you love him. So your post was pointless, other than showing you are a very angry person.
No if Rupp was in that race today (in his best 5k shape) he would have run faster than 12:58.
Chelimo is definitely more exciting to watch than Rupp, I feel like he has a shot at winning any race he enters using any sort of tactics. Maybe it's because we've followed Rupp's career for longer and watched the slow buildup, whereas we're really only paying attention to Chelimo at the world class level...
So? There are a lot of Kenyans better than Galen Rupp. What’s your point?
People know I give Galen a lot of crap, but unfortunately he ran during the era of Mo, and picked up some of his habits. So he never really pushed it. Same thing would happen to Chelimo if he came up during the Mo era.
I don't think Chelimo is as composed as Galen. He does a lot of stupid things during races. He might be more naturally talent than Galen, but Galen is/was the smarter runner.
I just can't trust Chelimo's mental foundation.
Now, if he matures, and is able to really focus, then he could possible do some serious damage as as distance runner.
Surprised he had the time with all that army work
Sone Kenyan is better at one distance than Rupp. Big deal He's still not broke 13 so not that great.
Rupp is the better athlete all round.
Didn't realise runnng was vital to the national interest.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_accessions_vital_to_national_interest
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Surprised he had the time with all that army work
Sone Kenyan is better at one distance than Rupp. Big deal He's still not broke 13 so not that great.
Rupp is the better athlete all round.
Didn't realise runnng was vital to the national interest.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_accessions_vital_to_national_interest
You need to educate yourself coach. Who has not broken 13? Educate yourself before your next post.
How many sub 13:10 clockings does chelimo have?
The 13:04.11 for @bentrue was not just his 2nd best ever, it marked the 4th year in his career with a sub-13:10.
Americans:
10-Lagat
6-Kennedy, Rupp
4-True
3-Teg, Chelimo
2-@djritzenhein, Jager, Mead, Hill, Jenkins, Lomong, @CDerrickRun
1-Solinsky, Maree
King Ches>>>>Paul Chelimo just saying
Chelimo is good, he was better last year though.
I wouldn't say that he is better than Rupp overall. Prime Rupp Vs prime Chelimo would be very close over 3k or 5k, but no way does Chelimo handle 26:44 or current marathon Rupp who can run maybe 2:04.
Rupp is the better athlete overall and deserves more respect in my opinion.
Rupp's 26:44 is equivalent to a sub-12:50, but that doesn't mean he could've done it. For whatever reason he just wasn't a great 5k runner, I think 12:55 was probably his ceiling. Chelimo is already better at 5k than Rupp ever was, but with Barega and Kejelcha around for the next decade, he'll be lucky to get bronze at global championships, especially with his awful tactics. His best shot at a gold is to move up to 10k, but I have my doubts that he'll ever be as effective as Rupp over the longer distance. Plus Rupp will be one of the best marathoners in the world for the next 3-5 years, which Chelimo will never do. Rupp's range makes him the American GOAT like him or not, and while Chelimo has the talent to surpass him, he has a long way to go.
osm wrote:
Rupp's 26:44 is equivalent to a sub-12:50, but that doesn't mean he could've done it. For whatever reason he just wasn't a great 5k runner, I think 12:55 was probably his ceiling. Chelimo is already better at 5k than Rupp ever was, but with Barega and Kejelcha around for the next decade, he'll be lucky to get bronze at global championships, especially with his awful tactics. His best shot at a gold is to move up to 10k, but I have my doubts that he'll ever be as effective as Rupp over the longer distance. Plus Rupp will be one of the best marathoners in the world for the next 3-5 years, which Chelimo will never do. Rupp's range makes him the American GOAT like him or not, and while Chelimo has the talent to surpass him, he has a long way to go.
Rupp's 10K PR is 38 seconds faster than Ritz. I think Ritz could have run 27:00 which reduces the gap to 16 seconds. Ritz never ran a serious mile, but he couldn't have gotten anywhere close to 3:50. Yet, according to you, Rupp would only have beaten Ritz by one second over 5K.
Rupp is a god among men
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Surprised he had the time with all that army work
Sone Kenyan is better at one distance than Rupp. Big deal He's still not broke 13 so not that great.
Rupp is the better athlete all round.
Didn't realise runnng was vital to the national interest.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_accessions_vital_to_national_interest
Look up WCAP. It’s more than just runners. It’s basically a marketing/recruiting/good will tool. It’s been around for decades.....just with runners not as fast.
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