Martinez has tended to peak a bit early and usually overworked as well.
Plenty of 1500 strength with a few adjustments.
Grace, similar story, should be up there at the end for at least a several years more, best marks ahead.
US 1500 is traditionally dominated by women well capable at 800, typically 1:59 - 2:01 runners.
Shelby deserved that win! Simpson, for the first time that I can remember, ran pretty stupidly. The fact that she did not take out the pace from 800 to go because “people expected me to do that” is the most moronic thing I’ve heard. It does not matter if Kate Grace or Brenda Martinez know that she is going to make it a hard race because they do not have the physical ability to hang with her anyway (plus even if Brenda did, she would fall). She would have had at least a 50/50 shot of beating Shelby with a fast last 800m.
Your title is why professional runners hate letsrun.
Tacticssssss wrote:
Shelby deserved that win! Simpson, for the first time that I can remember, ran pretty stupidly. The fact that she did not take out the pace from 800 to go because “people expected me to do that” is the most moronic thing I’ve heard. It does not matter if Kate Grace or Brenda Martinez know that she is going to make it a hard race because they do not have the physical ability to hang with her anyway (plus even if Brenda did, she would fall). She would have had at least a 50/50 shot of beating Shelby with a fast last 800m.
I agree. From the way that Jenny was behaving in that interview afterwards, I thought, wow is this the first chink in her armor that we're truly seeing? The confident Jenny of before had no fear and would kick down or grind out anyone in the US. I think Shelby got in her head.
Tactixtoo wrote:
Tacticssssss wrote:
Shelby deserved that win! Simpson, for the first time that I can remember, ran pretty stupidly. The fact that she did not take out the pace from 800 to go because “people expected me to do that” is the most moronic thing I’ve heard. It does not matter if Kate Grace or Brenda Martinez know that she is going to make it a hard race because they do not have the physical ability to hang with her anyway (plus even if Brenda did, she would fall). She would have had at least a 50/50 shot of beating Shelby with a fast last 800m.
I agree. From the way that Jenny was behaving in that interview afterwards, I thought, wow is this the first chink in her armor that we're truly seeing? The confident Jenny of before had no fear and would kick down or grind out anyone in the US. I think Shelby got in her head.
Another thought, and sorry to beleaguer this and over-speculate, but I think Jenny devised her tactics for this race as a test for herself. She said in the interview that she totally committed to going to the back with the intent to out-kick everyone. I think she thought she still "had it," and that Pre was a fluke. She fully expected to run down everyone as she has in the past. Well, it didn't work. I think that's why she was so sheepish in the interview. Had she committed to the tactic of kicking from a long ways out to wear Shelby down, that would have been a blatant admission that Jenny knew that Shelby has more speed than her. And I don't think Jenny's ego would allow her to admit that (yet). I think this race was really a blow, more than any blow that Shannon could have delivered. This is a guess, but I expect to see Jenny relying on her strength from here on out. I think her age, etc. is starting to wear the edges off of her speed.
tgirl wrote:
jfjdk wrote:
Lesson learned - don't be an 800m runner trying to move up to the 1500m.. #Brenda and #Grace have no speed last 200m.
Houlihan was once an 800 meter runner, and her twitter handle reflects that fact. B
People forget that houlihan was an exceptional 400/800 runner in high school. I remember her having kick of the week on flotrack for a sick 4x4 leg where she caught the whole field after being In like 5th or 6th getting the stick
People also forget that Shelby outkicked Jenny in a 3:59 race as well and Shelby is an accomplished 5k runner so she has all the tools it’s like racing Bernard Lagat in his prime. The only way to beat her would be to get the jump on her and hold her off, you’re not gonna grind the kick out of her with 800 to go. That’s what Rupp would try to do to lagat and it would never work, it wasn’t until he finally got the jump on him and had enough kick to hold him off that he finally beat lagat.
The way I see it, Houlihan has a better kick than simpson but Simpson is a better runner than her. This means that if Shelby tries to beat Jenny and Jenny alone each race, she wil win, but if she tries to compete on the diamond league/ WC with her she will be fail to best the east africans. See Shannon Rowbury for reference.
Sorry son, big bonuses in these contracts for a national championship.
‘Nothing to see here’ is the remark of someone who has never really been involved...
So sad, stop posting things you don’t get....
Simpson looked thin, frail, pale and weak.
Food in Des Moines, Iowa is roundly atrocious, perhaps that was it....
Seriously, our national championship is in des moines iowa....
Wow.
Surrey BC wrote:
Martinez causes crash !
she was sooo pushy today.
+1
DQ wrote:
Surrey BC wrote:
Martinez causes crash !
she was sooo pushy today.
+1
+1
B Mart was running on pure hate
tgirl wrote:
Houlihan was once an 800 meter runner, and her twitter handle reflects that fact. B
Why do people keep saying this? Houlihan's 800 PR is 2:01.12. Among Americans, that is slower than Simpson, Rowbury, Cain, Efraimson, Willard, Wurth-Thomas, Uceny, and (obviously) Grace and Martinez. She is also slower than Klosterhalfen, Muir,Hasan, Obiri and Dibaba.
PS Her PR came against pros, when she was next-to-last in the USATF Finals.
https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/united-states/shelby-houlihan-249056Tactixtoo wrote:
Another thought, and sorry to beleaguer this and over-speculate, but I think Jenny devised her tactics for this race as a test for herself. She said in the interview that she totally committed to going to the back with the intent to out-kick everyone. I think she thought she still "had it," and that Pre was a fluke. She fully expected to run down everyone as she has in the past. Well, it didn't work. I think that's why she was so sheepish in the interview. Had she committed to the tactic of kicking from a long ways out to wear Shelby down, that would have been a blatant admission that Jenny knew that Shelby has more speed than her. And I don't think Jenny's ego would allow her to admit that (yet). I think this race was really a blow, more than any blow that Shannon could have delivered. This is a guess, but I expect to see Jenny relying on her strength from here on out. I think her age, etc. is starting to wear the edges off of her speed.
TRUE THIS,
The runner behind her clipped her leg.
Not Brenda fault for what some flailing idiot does behind her.
I hate to be the grinch but Shelby just finished at 1:55 800m pace or with the male equivalent of 51s for 400m, she was tested a measly 3 times last year (probably only urine), no wonder she is dominating. Oh, that's right American runners are clean.
Scorpion_runner wrote:
Nothing to see here. Off season, Simpson didn't push the pace, so easy kick stretch for Houlihan.
On another note, americans are still slow and s h i t.
Brenda Martinez is a got damn wrecking ball in every
race that she runs. Good lord. She is clumsy in her form and running. If I am a runner, I would seriously protest her
being allowed to freaking race.
That was one of the most idiotic, rambling posts I've ever read on let's run!
Nope.... wrote:
PRIME Webb in 2007 didn't get a chance after some learning experiences years prior.
Classic.
Brenda Martinez was unbelievable. Clumsy and aggressive at the same time. Just a chaos machine.
You said it all wrote:
Tactixtoo wrote:
Another thought, and sorry to beleaguer this and over-speculate, but I think Jenny devised her tactics for this race as a test for herself. She said in the interview that she totally committed to going to the back with the intent to out-kick everyone. I think she thought she still "had it," and that Pre was a fluke. She fully expected to run down everyone as she has in the past. Well, it didn't work. I think that's why she was so sheepish in the interview. Had she committed to the tactic of kicking from a long ways out to wear Shelby down, that would have been a blatant admission that Jenny knew that Shelby has more speed than her. And I don't think Jenny's ego would allow her to admit that (yet). I think this race was really a blow, more than any blow that Shannon could have delivered. This is a guess, but I expect to see Jenny relying on her strength from here on out. I think her age, etc. is starting to wear the edges off of her speed.
TRUE THIS,
Jenny's world is crumbling around her...
Tactixtoo wrote:
Another thought, and sorry to beleaguer this...
be[]laboer. You know, " to explain or insist on excessively." As in, "sorry to belabor the point.