I'd say the sub 6 hrs is harder because there's more variables involved after 40 miles than just leg speed. I've continued to train like a marathoner. I don't believe you really need to adjust your training unless there's specificity to the terrain (hills/mountains, technicality). You have to learn how to take in more fuel and hydration, keep a level head to persevere, troubleshoot anything, and then after 35-40 miles you find out how good of a fat burner you are.
reed wrote:
Someone that has actually attempted both wrote:
I have ran a 2:30 marathon and I have ran a 7:14 50 miler. Running under 6 is equivalent to a 2:15.
has it occurred to you that maybe your 50 mile just sucked? we're talking a flat, road 50 miler. not a trail race.
I'd take a 2:30 over a 6:00 but only because 50 mile road races aren't very common and aren't prestigious. The closest would be JFK which is half on trails (for something like 25 miles) and in that case a 6:00 would be better than a 2:30.
I've run 2:32 and in 2019 my plan is to race a flat 50k and a flat 50 miler (although still on trails - slower course than JFK).
AR50 (american river 50) is the race if anybody cares to look it up. I think I could run about 6:20s which in my mind would be about equal to a 2:30 marathon depending on course conditions.
Coree ran a 6:39 at AR50 and he would laugh in your face if you think you can run that with a 2:32 road marathon hahahahhahah. Youre going to finished closer to 7:30-8 if you even finish. Wow dude you believe in yourself way too much. Dumb shi*t
Banana Bread wrote:
Not Banana Bread wrote:
Show us one ultra race you have done
I haven't done an ultra. If I do one I'll show you in the future but I don't plan on it now. I want to get faster over short distances. I've done 3:20 in the thon with almost no training when I took up running so I could handle a long race unprepared if I wanted. I'm sure I could run at that thon pace(7:40 mile) for 100k in my current shape so already that is low 6 hr for 50miles. I could someday get to mid 5 hr someday in the future if I wanted.
Yeah right dude. 3:20 in the thon is a joke first of all. Second of all, if you havent done an ultra why are you even submitting thoughts. Youre a joke.
Neither are impressive.
Banana Bread wrote:
Not Banana Bread wrote:
Show us one ultra race you have done
I haven't done an ultra. If I do one I'll show you in the future but I don't plan on it now. I want to get faster over short distances. I've done 3:20 in the thon with almost no training when I took up running so I could handle a long race unprepared if I wanted. I'm sure I could run at that thon pace(7:40 mile) for 100k in my current shape so already that is low 6 hr for 50miles. I could someday get to mid 5 hr someday in the future if I wanted.
But you probably cant though. Its like saying "i can run a 4:45 mile so of course i can do it three more times" lol. Big difference in maintaining a 2:30 marathon pace at 26 miles and at 45ish miles. Its a huge difference. You people on here crying that 100 milers or 50milers is walked is so funny. Go ahead and try a sub 6 hour 50miler. Bet you will lose 6
Someone that has actually attempted both wrote:
Coree ran a 6:39 at AR50 and he would laugh in your face if you think you can run that with a 2:32 road marathon hahahahhahah. Youre going to finished closer to 7:30-8 if you even finish. Wow dude you believe in yourself way too much. Dumb shi*t
I know you are just trying to troll, but just so other people have the full story...This year was very muddy. Coree ran 6:25 at AR50 in 2016 though, placing 4th (winner was 6:00, Chris Denucci).
Zach Bitter ran 6:16 and I don't think he's broken 2:30 for the marathon (although I think he could).
Anyway...if Camille thinks sub-6:00 is harder I'd believe her. She's literally the professional.
Coree's PR is 2:26, but let's be real; he's way too nice to laugh in someone's face.
Maybe it's just me, but I think Wipe Out was harder than most America Ninja Warrior courses. I'm not sure those who can finish the standard ANW course can compete at all, at Wipe Out.
How are there this many replies by now?! Sub 6 hour 50 miler is waaaaaaaaaaaay harder. Just think about it for a second - a 2:45 thon is achievable for just about anyone.
A guy I coach ran a 2:23 marathon (May 2017, good conditions, competitive field) and then 6:02 solo for 50 miles (July 2017). The 50 mile race was on a flat course on a very hot day with no competition.
I'll wager to say a 2:30 marathon is equal to 6:00 for 50 miles.
I have run 2:27 for the marathon and 5:35 for 50 miles. In my opinion, a sub 6 hours 50 miler is better than a 2:45 marathon. No matter how bad a day I was having, when I was under age 50, I would always break 2:45. However, the same could not be said for breaking 6 hours. There were many times I ran around 6:10-6:15. As such, breaking 6 hours was tougher.
It is significantly harder for an ultra "runner" to go sub 6 hours without talking about their lifestyle activity than any other type of runner that's for sure...
Not Banana Bread wrote:
Banana Bread wrote:
I haven't done an ultra. If I do one I'll show you in the future but I don't plan on it now. I want to get faster over short distances. I've done 3:20 in the thon with almost no training when I took up running so I could handle a long race unprepared if I wanted. I'm sure I could run at that thon pace(7:40 mile) for 100k in my current shape so already that is low 6 hr for 50miles. I could someday get to mid 5 hr someday in the future if I wanted.
Yeah right dude. 3:20 in the thon is a joke first of all. Second of all, if you havent done an ultra why are you even submitting thoughts. Youre a joke.
Condolences on your brain bro. Sincere apologies. I never said 3:20 pace was fast. That wasn't the point I was trying to make.
If it took years of experience, dedication and consistent training to achieve 3:20, I'd agree that holding that pace for 50 miles would never be possible.
I done that time off hardly any training, and very inconsistent training at that, and also no running experience. So surely after years of dedication, experience and consistent training I could go out now and hold that pace for 2 times the distance. It is common sense and logic. You sir, are a douche. Gobble Gobble MF.
running 50 miles is boring
Neither are impressive.
Banana Bread wrote:
Condolences on your brain bro. Sincere apologies. I never said 3:20 pace was fast. That wasn't the point I was trying to make.
If it took years of experience, dedication and consistent training to achieve 3:20, I'd agree that holding that pace for 50 miles would never be possible.
I done that time off hardly any training, and very inconsistent training at that, and also no running experience. So surely after years of dedication, experience and consistent training I could go out now and hold that pace for 2 times the distance. It is common sense and logic. You sir, are a douche. Gobble Gobble MF.
So it took you years of experience, dedication and consistent training to hit 3:20, yet you "done that time off hardly any training and very inconsistent training at that, and also no running experience"
obvious grammatical errors
gobble gobble MF reference
sir
1/10 a poor effort on your part, but +1 because I replied
Read my post again. Evan if I made a typo surely your comprehension can't be that bad. I didn't say it took years of experience etc, I said IF it took yrs ..... then it would be understandable that I couldn't run 6 hrs for 50 mile. You do realise what IF means? I guess I can understand your lack of comprehensions, your name is literally "reed". If you were read, then maybe you would understand my logics.
Banana Bread wrote:
Not Banana Bread wrote:
Yeah right dude. 3:20 in the thon is a joke first of all. Second of all, if you havent done an ultra why are you even submitting thoughts. Youre a joke.
Condolences on your brain bro. Sincere apologies. I never said 3:20 pace was fast. That wasn't the point I was trying to make.
If it took years of experience, dedication and consistent training to achieve 3:20, I'd agree that holding that pace for 50 miles would never be possible.
I done that time off hardly any training, and very inconsistent training at that, and also no running experience. So surely after years of dedication, experience and consistent training I could go out now and hold that pace for 2 times the distance. It is common sense and logic. You sir, are a douche. Gobble Gobble MF.
Prove it. Just prove it. Seriously. Youre all over letsrun full of claims you cant back. Prove it. Douche
I'll prove it when I decide I want to do 50 miles. I'm not going to go out and literally run it now just to prove a point to some troll here. I would only do it now if I knew Bekele was waiting for me at the finish line.