Asbel Kiprop speaks to BBC: "The truth will come out and it will clear my name." Calls for dopers to be jailed.

Maybe Kiprop has been assured officials behind the scene will jockey things as has been done for cheats like Lagat, and he'll be "vindicated".

Qwerto wrote:

He looks a little pudgier than normal, no? Wonder if this is it for him competitively.

In a very short amount of time. Is he a drinker? Anyone know? Just a month ago, he did an interview and was normal weight for him and calm.

I wonder if he turned to the sauce on these test results? Fastest way to gain weight is drinking. Hopefully he finds some peace and isn't drinking himself to death like Wanjiru did. Wish him the best even if he did cheat.

Drinking is bad, okay wrote:

Qwerto wrote:

He looks a little pudgier than normal, no? Wonder if this is it for him competitively.

In a very short amount of time. Is he a drinker? Anyone know? Just a month ago, he did an interview and was normal weight for him and calm.

I wonder if he turned to the sauce on these test results? Fastest way to gain weight is drinking. Hopefully he finds some peace and isn't drinking himself to death like Wanjiru did. Wish him the best even if he did cheat.

I've heard he likes to party, drink and sleep around with different women in the off season. Which will be all the time now lol.

Now you got me thinking. If that's true in the offseason, he was able to lean down very fast.

You guys remember Jan Ulrich? He'd party in the off-season, but would show up to compete way overweight with a huge gut. You don't see that anymore in cycling or in running.

El Keniano wrote:

Deanouk wrote:

LOL.

I have never seen a more blatant piece of lying!

I watched it on the 1:00pm BBC news here in the UK, and he suggests he was giving the testers money for them to buy tea!!!

I'd like to know how expensive tea is in Kenya!?

I hope there aren't people out there who would fall for this!

It's pretty normal in Kenya. I've done it several times myself without thinking. "Here's a little something for tea" is a phrase literally every Kenyan with a regular salary has uttered at some point. Hard for westerners to understand, I know.

You're right EK, especially hard for good ol' American boys to understand, they have no idea of what goes on in other countries. Each on has it own cultural quirkiness, Kenya it's tea, Germany it's toothpaste, Finland reindeer milk, Spain beef, China turtle soup, Jamaica protein powder,...

El Keniano wrote:

"Here's a little something for tea"

GOT IT!!!, it's all as clear as daylight now. Kiprop gave one of the testers some money to go and buy some tea, he came back with it and they had a nice brew up to help Kiprop provide a sample as he was a bit dehydrated and couldn't pee.

But wait, there's more, FMD the tea was contaminated, and it's not the first time that's happened:

"Peru captain tested positive for cocaine in a tea he drank"

Bunch of ignorant cretins the lot of them. wrote:

Each on has it own cultural quirkiness, Kenya it's tea, Germany it's toothpaste, Finland reindeer milk, Spain beef, China turtle soup, Jamaica protein powder,...

Tea in Peru too.

Now That's Telling It Like It Is wrote:

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Yes, Ghost1 isn't an unlikeable person but he has long defended the least believable performances out there. 3:26 smacks of bathtubs full of hot sauce, and again he was caught for 'Recombinant epo.' His story doesn't add up. Thanks to Fancy Bears it appears that the IAAF secretly knew he was doping for quite some time.

+1

Spot on!

The difference is Ghost has been to, and spent time in, the Rift Valley studying running culture in places like Eldoret and Iten, unlike 99% of the armchair experts here whose depth of knowledge of Kenya is sourced mainly from tabloid newspaper reports they read on the internet. I, an actual Kenyan, get lectured on a daily basis about my own country and culture by dozens of people who've never set foot here. Seriously, that takes a special kind of gall which, in my opinion, is not that far removed from mental illness.

“When the truth comes out...”. Whenever someone says that I cannot help but think why not just tell us the truth now? What is the hold up? If there is atruth gives us a detailed explanation with lots of credible sources backing up you story.

Kiprop is from Kaptinga village, near Eldoret. He is a son of David and Julia Kebenei. His father David Kebenei was also an athlete, who participated in the 1987 All-Africa Games in Kenya and finished fourth in the 1500 metres race. Kiprop started running at the age of 13, while at Simat School. Later he dropped out of high-school to concentrate on training.

Kiprop trains at the Kipchoge Keino High Performance Training Centre in Eldoret. He was, however, expelled from the camp in 2009 for breaking the rules by bringing his girlfriend to the centre.

His younger brother Victor Kipchirchir Kebenei is also a 1500 metres runner.

Kiprop has stated his first name, Asbel, means determined.

Source: wk

There are also concerns about false positives for R. EPO testing.

Asbel with his legal team, is building his defence, and it looks like he has a very good case for the allegations to be declared null and void.

See link below.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/serious-concerns-over-urinary-epo-test/

"If people have a pronounced post-exercise proteinuria, one lab interprets the result as a positive test ...but another laboratory considers the test as negative. " - Prof. Bogaerts on one of the EPO test's shorctomings

"The expertise of the labs also comes into play here, as some have identified positives where none exist. A high protein concentration in the urine sample can be one of the flags for a false positive, and in such cases, some labs (particularly those of Châtenay-Malabry in the outskirts of Paris, Oslo and Barcelona) try to eliminate the non-EPO proteins before analysis."

Now, if a world famous accredited lab. like Chatenay-Malabry can make mistakes with samples, it makes one think that lab. standards in Kenya, which have many chinks, cannot be considered to give 100 percent reliable results.

There are so many technicals in Asbel's unfortunate case, which should take the genial ectomorph off the hook.

Any legal people here, lawyers, solicitors, attorneys - will no doubt agree that A.K. has grounds for the case to be thrown out.

Ghost1 wrote:

Kiprop trains at the Kipchoge Keino High Performance Training Centre in Eldoret. He was, however, expelled from the camp in 2009 for breaking the rules by bringing his girlfriend to the centre.

Going by what's been posted previously he does seem to get himself in to a lot of trouble doesn't he, some would say he's a serial offender, you seem to know him well, does he have trouble conforming?

Prof. Bogaerts was appointed by the Disciplinary Council of the Flemish Community in Belgium to examine the case of Rutger Beke's false positive. In an interview with Sporza TV on August 2, 2005, Prof. Bogaerts declared, "If people have a pronounced post-exercise proteinuria, one lab interprets the result as a positive test, such as those of Ghent and Cologne, but another laboratory considers the test as negative. I am certain that they have acted honestly, but the EPO test in itself is not reliable."

Ghost1 wrote:

There are also concerns about false positives for R. EPO testing.

Concerns in 2005... that's a good one.

I already thought you may be trolling with this classic:

Ghost1 wrote:

a God fearing Christian church goer

and now it's clear.

casual obsever wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

There are also concerns about false positives for R. EPO testing.

Concerns in 2005... that's a good one.

I already thought you may be trolling with this classic:

Ghost1 wrote:

a God fearing Christian church goer

and now it's clear.

Yes, when I saw "2005" and diversions about Armstrong’s 1999 failed test I nearly wet my pants in laughter. Lol. Testing was so weak in 2005 that Ramzi turned up juiced to the eyeballs, had an OFF-SCORE around 150, and did the 800m-1500m double, an Everest feat and no epo was found in his samples. Heck, in 2005 Armstrong was still winning the TdF and everyone thought that bobble headed Paula was the virtue of hard work. In 2005, Bekele ran 26:17, making him literally twice as good as the 1978 version of Henry Rono. In 2005, cyclists were still using copious amounts of drugs while Morocco had a tribe of competitive distance runners. Testing in 2005 was a joke compared to 2008, which was way inferior to what was established in 2009 but with GlaxoSmithKline's help for the London Olympics a vastly better program became default which has been updated for HGH and meledonium etc, hence sub 13 times are now very uncommon. So, indeed Kiprop may have been clean in 2008 ?

El Keniano wrote:

Now That's Telling It Like It Is wrote:

+1

Spot on!

The difference is Ghost has been to, and spent time in, the Rift Valley studying running culture in places like Eldoret and Iten, unlike 99% of the armchair experts here whose depth of knowledge of Kenya is sourced mainly from tabloid newspaper reports they read on the internet. I, an actual Kenyan, get lectured on a daily basis about my own country and culture by dozens of people who've never set foot here. Seriously, that takes a special kind of gall which, in my opinion, is not that far removed from mental illness.

Ok I'll humour you.

Let's assume the culture in Kenya is outside the realm of understanding for all westerners (just put them all in the same boat despite the fact that I personally am no closer to being a white American than you).

Please explain simply why the culture in Kenya means that Kiprop did not test positive for EPO.

Nobody cares about the transfer of money, or tea, or whatever. It's irrelevant.

Please explain how the culture in Kenya means that Kiprop's urine sample that he provided, split himself into A and B vials, sealed himself, shipped to a lab in anti-tamper vials and subsequently both tested positive for EPO, actually did not happen.

I'm really interested. I love learning about different cultures.

Ghost1 wrote:

"The expertise of the labs also comes into play here, as some have identified positives where none exist. A high protein concentration in the urine sample can be one of the flags for a false positive, and in such cases, some labs (particularly those of Châtenay-Malabry in the outskirts of Paris, Oslo and Barcelona) try to eliminate the non-EPO proteins before analysis."

Now, if a world famous accredited lab. like Chatenay-Malabry can make mistakes with samples, it makes one think that lab. standards in Kenya, which have many chinks, cannot be considered to give 100 percent reliable results.

There are so many technicals in Asbel's unfortunate case, which should take the genial ectomorph off the hook.

Any legal people here, lawyers, solicitors, attorneys - will no doubt agree that A.K. has grounds for the case to be thrown out.

You seem like a nice guy who is probably quite smart, but there is no reason to throw out a positive chemical test for EPO. The sample was provided by Kiprop and did test positive.

It's sad for the sport I agree, but it's also a good thing that we are catching and eliminating dopers and Kenya should be proud to show that they are doing more to catch people in the off-season.

Also as far as I know they don't have anti-doping labs in Kenya. The samples are shipped abroad. The bottles are sent to Kenya or wherever they need them. All samples are sealed in the anti-tamper bottles by the athlete and there is a unique code identifier on the bottle which ensures there cannot be a mix up.