derp wrote:
so you must rank Robert Horry and Tom Heinsohn among the best to ever play the game
If you value winning above all else, then sure.
derp wrote:
so you must rank Robert Horry and Tom Heinsohn among the best to ever play the game
If you value winning above all else, then sure.
Not so sure wrote:
It goes to a mentality that Jordan had that LeBron doesn't. LeBron disappears in big games and even in stretches throughout seasons. Jordan never did that.
Have you even been watching the playoffs the last few years?
-LeBron has 5 game winning shots in the playoffs.
- Jordan had 3.
-LeBron has the higher % for those shots too.
Did you ever see Jordan do something like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYmejM38vKs&t=47sI like this one better. Jordan unselfishly gives the ball up to Kerr for the winning shot. James would never do that.
Thank you. Once again, the LeBron detractors are showing their ignorance. He has more game-winning playoff shots than MJ.
Hardloper wrote: I wonder if this even happened when MJ played - doubtful!
It did. I was around. (MJ was more dominant.)
Since you have no clue, why would you say “doubtful” and not just, um, ask?
Such a millennial move.
sbeefyk2 wrote:
Not so sure wrote:
LeBron will probably end his career with better stats than Jordan because he came into the league when he was like 15. Big deal.
Jordan won 6 championships, never lost. He also made the game-winning shot in the NCAA championship, so he has a college title as well. 9x all-defensive team. 10x all-NBA first team. Hell he even led the NBA in steals 3 times..
But we all know his stats. Like I said, LeBron may end up with better stats, except maybe the defense. Jordan wasn't in the league as long and took 2 years off a couple times. I suppose LeBron may end up with more championships, but a bunch of losses in the championships as well.
Jordan had something that LeBron doesn't, maybe a will to win, or something. I can't quite put my finger on it. You could see it in his eyes. LeBron doesn't have that.
Lot of folks have forgotten or were too young to remember.
The Jordan argument falls apart when you consider the coaches. Lebron has played for different coaches with the same results. MJ played for Phil Jackson who went to the Lakers and got the same results.
Point is, Lebron makes his team better. Phil Jackson made MJ great. Big difference. If Phil went to the Lakers and couldn’t repeat the success then it’s a different story. But as it stands, MJ was a product of a great coach. Lebron makes terrible coaches and teammates look great.
What a dumb post.
Phil’s Lakers were the Yankees of their time, buying up everything including ***Shaq and Kobe.* He didn’t “make” them great. The fact they had competitive playoff finals like 2001 was a sign he underperformed as a coach.
Anyway, who cares? Do you say True is better than Rupp because Salazar has also coached Farah etc while True is self-coached??
sports analogy guru wrote:
coach wrote:
He dribbles it up the court, holds onto it for 15 seconds then either shoots or dishes it off when teams collapse on him. That is the Cavs offense. No ball movement like the Warriors, players don't cut and move like the Celtics or Jazz.
That's like calling Tom Brady selfish because the center doesn't snap the ball to any of the other players in the backfield.
No, it’s not.
The post clearly compares him to others in the same position. Read.
derp wrote:
seriously, 9 of championships came when there WERE LESS THAN 10 teams in the NBA.
It's about equivalent to 'winning' the second round of the NBA playoffs.
I see that probability & statistics is not an area of strength for you.
Lebron is just not likable or inspiring. He has a lower social IQ than Jordan. I do think he is more powerful but less finesse and boring to watch. MJ was magical to watch. Part of it is the NBA is a joke these days. 90's had a lot of great teams and was more physical and had a lot of powerful centers.
I was mesmerized by the idiots being mesmerized by watching that trash.
You need to find a new gym if everyone was impressed with LeBron James. Guy's a fraud.
Even if that were the case, he'd be a d@mn impressive fraud.
MJ Undisputed GOAT wrote:
Lebron is just not likable or inspiring. He has a lower social IQ than Jordan. I do think he is more powerful but less finesse and boring to watch. MJ was magical to watch. Part of it is the NBA is a joke these days. 90's had a lot of great teams and was more physical and had a lot of powerful centers.
MJ was a legendary a-hole with a gambling addiction. Not likable at all. If social media had existed back in his day, those Bulls teams would have surely been less cohesive because Jordan's insufferable demeanor towards his teammates would have gotten a lot more public exposure.
Born in the 856 wrote:
Jordan in his prime couldn't stop Lebron James of today. James is bigger, stronger and just as athletic.
I would give just about anything to watch Dennis Rodman guard LeBron James.
(But in the 1990s when James wasn’t basically *the* NBA and getting away with murder on the court.)
I love it when runners try to debate basketball players. It's cute.
James is a good, great, basketball player. But he pales in comparison to the phenomenon that was Michael Jordan.
It was be like Mike. My white collar suburban friends had to have Air Jordans. It was the Dream Team, the tongue wagging, the sky high jumps and acrobatic dunks..
James is a basketball player. Jordan was so much more. You kids just don't get it. And get off my lawn.
Not so sure wrote:
Jordan had something that LeBron doesn't, maybe a will to win, or something. I can't quite put my finger on it. You could see it in his eyes. LeBron doesn't have that.
Lot of folks have forgotten or were too young to remember.
Lebron did do the dream team years in Miami, but it could easily be argued the one thing he doesn't have is Jordan's teammates.
I don't know about them defensively but I've never seen a player like Lebron. He can dominate a game at will if he wants to. Sure he may not do it during the regular season but now they need to win and he starts scoring 40 and getting triple doubles. The Cleveland Cavaliers make the NBA finals nearly ever year.
Lebron has a physicality that Jordan doesn't have.
I say this and yet I root against the guy all the time but I acknowledge his greatness. And I agree Jordan was probably a bigger cultural phenomenon.
Let's look at the Cavs history...
Before drafting Lebron: 2003 17 win season
Drafted Lebron
2004 one place from playoffs
2005 one place from playoffs
2006 made it to conference semis
2007 made it to NBA finals
2008 made it to conference semis
2009 made it to conference finals
2010 made it to conference semis
Lebron leaves
2011 no playoffs
2012 no playoffs
2013 no playoffs
2014 no playoffs
Lebron comes back
2015 Lost in finals to Warriors
2016 NBA champs
2017 Lost in finals to Warriors
wejo wrote:
Not so sure wrote:
Jordan had something that LeBron doesn't, maybe a will to win, or something. I can't quite put my finger on it. You could see it in his eyes. LeBron doesn't have that.
Lot of folks have forgotten or were too young to remember.
Lebron did do the dream team years in Miami, but it could easily be argued the one thing he doesn't have is Jordan's teammates.
I don't know about them defensively but I've never seen a player like Lebron. He can dominate a game at will if he wants to. Sure he may not do it during the regular season but now they need to win and he starts scoring 40 and getting triple doubles. The Cleveland Cavaliers make the NBA finals nearly ever year.
Lebron has a physicality that Jordan doesn't have.
I say this and yet I root against the guy all the time but I acknowledge his greatness. And I agree Jordan was probably a bigger cultural phenomenon.
You don't think Jordan could dominate a game at will if he wanted to? This is a guy who had 63 points in a playoff game. And before anyone asks, that was against a Celtics team with a 67-15 record, including a 40-1 record at home. It featured five Hall of Fame players (Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Robert Parish, Dennis Johnson and Bill Walton).
Did Jordan ever lay an egg in the playoffs? Sure LeBron's last few games have been good, but that's following up a stellar 15 point performance where the Cavs got whipped.
I read that Jordan's Bulls never needed a game 7 to win a championship series, either. He was that good!