Everyone at my gym was too mesmerized by the LeBron show to even work out

I was fortunate enough to see him a few games in high school.

They don't call him King James for nothing. ? ?

Been following for a while.... wrote:I was fortunate enough to see him a few games in high school.

In a similar (but obviously different) vein, I got to watch Wayne Gretzky play his only junior season, the year before he signed in the WHL. I wish I knew then I was witnessing the development of true greatness.

Also, I am not a regular soccer fan, but like to watch some of the big match ups during Euro and World Cups. Several years ago I saw Pirlo from Italy make a penalty kick, softly lobbing the ball over the keeper and into the net. I didn't know for sure, but thought maybe I was witnessing something special. It put a big warm smile on my face, anyway...

Hardloper wrote:

Everyone just standing around beside the weights, just staring at the TV with their jaws dropped. Never seen anything like it. I wonder if this even happened when MJ played - doubtful!

As a guy who was around in Jordan's prime AND who thinks LeBron is better, I can assure you the same thing happened back then.

There are many times when watching LeBron play that I simply say "wtf was that". Like how do you stop those fadeaway jumpers from the free throw line. You could double team, but he just finds the open man and they shoot or kick it around to a more open guy.

Lebron is maybe the 4th or 5th best player in the league. He gets over hyped because of his size and strength.

Not Lebron wrote:

Lebron is maybe the 4th or 5th best player in the league. He gets over hyped because of his size and strength.

Lol. Found the guy who knows nothing about basketball.

LeBron will probably end his career with better stats than Jordan because he came into the league when he was like 15. Big deal.

Jordan won 6 championships, never lost. He also made the game-winning shot in the NCAA championship, so he has a college title as well. 9x all-defensive team. 10x all-NBA first team. Hell he even led the NBA in steals 3 times..

But we all know his stats. Like I said, LeBron may end up with better stats, except maybe the defense. Jordan wasn't in the league as long and took 2 years off a couple times. I suppose LeBron may end up with more championships, but a bunch of losses in the championships as well.

Jordan had something that LeBron doesn't, maybe a will to win, or something. I can't quite put my finger on it. You could see it in his eyes. LeBron doesn't have that.

Lot of folks have forgotten or were too young to remember.

Not so sure wrote:

But we all know his stats. Like I said, LeBron may end up with better stats, except maybe the defense. Jordan wasn't in the league as long and took 2 years off a couple times. I suppose LeBron may end up with more championships, but a bunch of losses in the championships as well.

MJ lost many championships. Any season he didn't win, he lost. It's silly to discount Lebron for making a championship final and not winning, as opposed to not even making the final, which MJ did many times.

Not so sure wrote:

Jordan won 6 championships, never lost.

Uh, Jordan played more than 6 seasons.

not to get into that debate wrote:

Not so sure wrote:

But we all know his stats. Like I said, LeBron may end up with better stats, except maybe the defense. Jordan wasn't in the league as long and took 2 years off a couple times. I suppose LeBron may end up with more championships, but a bunch of losses in the championships as well.

MJ lost many championships. Any season he didn't win, he lost. It's silly to discount Lebron for making a championship final and not winning, as opposed to not even making the final, which MJ did many times.

Not silly at all. It goes to a mentality that Jordan had that LeBron doesn't. LeBron disappears in big games and even in stretches throughout seasons. Jordan never did that.

BTW, you don't "lose" a champonship series if you're not playing in it. That's just dumb and you know better.

So what happens when you put Dennis Rodman up against Kevin Durant and Michael Jordan up against Stephen Curry? Do the Bulls still win 6 titles?

Not so sure wrote:

Jordan had something that LeBron doesn't, maybe a will to win, or something. I can't quite put my finger on it. You could see it in his eyes. LeBron doesn't have that.

LeBron James doesn't have a will to win?? Have you not been watching these playoffs? Come off it.

Michael Jordan was a better scorer than LeBron. If you're down by one with ten seconds on the clock, there's no question that MJ would be the better option. But LeBron does everything else as well or better than Jordan did, and he's still a great scorer. LeBron can defend anyone on the court. Jordan couldn't do that. If you had 5 Lebrons go head-to-head vs. 5 Jordans, Team LeBron would dominate every time, because who would guard LeBron?

Every "Jordan's got six rings!" argument is subject to the "Robert Horry's got seven!" counterargument. If you put Jordan in his prime on this Cavs team, he'd get blown out by the Warriors, too.

The Gallant Pig Man wrote:

LeBron James doesn't have a will to win?? Have you not been watching these playoffs? Come off it.

Let's face facts. LeBron has choked or disappeared in big games in the past. JORDAN NEVER DID. That's the difference and whomever has the better stats doesn't change that. Whether LeBron is playing well this week doesn't matter when you look at the overall body of work.

BTW, did you say that a 9-time all defense first team player couldn't defend as well as LeBron?

Not so sure wrote:

Jordan won 6 championships, never lost.

Jordan played 15 seasons. He lost 9 times. His championship record is 6 wins to 9 losses, with all 9 losses occurring before the championship round, 7 occurring before the conference final round and a couple occurring before the playoffs even started.

Murder Dub wrote:

Not so sure wrote:

Jordan won 6 championships, never lost.

Jordan played 15 seasons. He lost 9 times. His championship record is 6 wins to 9 losses, with all 9 losses occurring before the championship round, 7 occurring before the conference final round and a couple occurring before the playoffs even started.

Seriously dumb, dude.

The NBA finals is a championship series. You don't "lose" a series by not playing in it (you can't lose a game you're not in).

Come up with a better argument.

Not computer savvy wrote:

Murder Dub wrote:

Jordan played 15 seasons. He lost 9 times. His championship record is 6 wins to 9 losses, with all 9 losses occurring before the championship round, 7 occurring before the conference final round and a couple occurring before the playoffs even started.

Seriously dumb, dude.

The NBA finals is a championship series. You don't "lose" a series by not playing in it (you can't lose a game you're not in).

Come up with a better argument.

The NBA championship is an 8-month tournament beginning with an 81 game season followed by a 4-round playoff resulting in one champion.

9 times Jordan participated in this tournament and did not win. If he NEVER lost any big games then he would have won 15 championships not 6.

Jordan is the Pete Rose of the nba. Fortunately for him, the nba looked the other way when he gambled, womanized, and treated everybody around him like sh!t.

Whether Lebron is as great as Jordan(they are different types of player) Lebron is 10 times the human being.

Followed them both..... wrote:

Jordan is the Pete Rose of the nba. Fortunately for him, the nba looked the other way when he gambled, womanized, and treated everybody around him like sh!t.

Well they made him play baseball for a year, didn't they