Caster Semenya wont reduce testerone level, soon will move up to 5000m/10000m

5 & 10 won't go extremely well wrote:

Not many from either gender or combination of genders can race well at 5'10" 160 lbs. over 5000 & 10000.

You're right, she's not going to be a world-beating distance runner. However, it beats the heck out of taking hormones and running 2:02 for 800.

Hardloper wrote:

5 & 10 won't go extremely well wrote:

Not many from either gender or combination of genders can race well at 5'10" 160 lbs. over 5000 & 10000.

You're right, she's not going to be a world-beating distance runner. However, it beats the heck out of taking hormones and running 2:02 for 800.

She could have her testicles removed surgically. They aren't necessary in a female. And that is the cause of her high testosterone numbers

omygoodnes wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

You're right, she's not going to be a world-beating distance runner. However, it beats the heck out of taking hormones and running 2:02 for 800.

She could have her testicles removed surgically. They aren't necessary in a female. And that is the cause of her high testosterone numbers

Exactly, she/he could have them removed, and won't. He/she also refuses to reduce the testosterone levels (despite having massive biological male advantages, such as far more muscles, lean body mass, larger heart etc etc).

Conclusion: HE IS A CHEAT

Tactically Caster isn't a cheat, Caster is simply taking advantage of a situation in which hasn't officially been enforced. Do I agree with it, no. I'm happy steps have been placed to equal the field for Caster and the opposing competition.

Saying she’ll succeed at the 10k is like saying rudisha would demolish everyone in the 10k. Just because she’s doping (naturally) doesn’t mean she’s a long distance runner. We’ve all seen sprinters run longer distances and it’s hilarious. She’ll be the same.

"I have nothing against Caster or any other athlete it her condition. The fact of the matter is when a person is born with both sexual organs, their tetes regardless if fully developed or not produces testerone at the lowest level 3 x more than any none tetes female at her highest normal level. Throw in bigger heart and oxygen consumption and you see why the IAAF finally hotten something right. Its not Caster the IAAF is targeting but the rest of female athletes who have to compete with anyone who have advantage via their testerone level. "

Yes

Klepto wrote:

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Sure about that:

http://club.runthrough.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/GG-4.jpg

That guy is not competitive with the top women either.

He’s 60 years old.

The Dingo^3 wrote:

I agree with your sentiment that Caster should not be competing with women, period.

However, I think the idea that Caster can go even close to 29:00 is way off.

She's probably capable of 50.x, 1:53-1:54, 3:57-3:58.

Males who can run those times would not approach 29:00, not even close, too speed oriented.

Even if she shifts her training to be more mileage based, I'd be utterly shocked if she ever breaks 30:00 (unless she's sandbagged every race she's run, which, is possible) and even sub 15:00 in the 5,000m would be a challenge, though doable.

You realize Mo has come close to running all 3 of those times in one 10k, right? Males who can run those times absolutely are capable of breaking 29:00. I'm not saying Semenya will, just that the idea that no man is out there running 50.x, 1:53, 3:57, and 29:00 is laughable.

be hilarious if she was juiced

statfanatic wrote:

The Dingo^3 wrote:

I agree with your sentiment that Caster should not be competing with women, period.

However, I think the idea that Caster can go even close to 29:00 is way off.

She's probably capable of 50.x, 1:53-1:54, 3:57-3:58.

Males who can run those times would not approach 29:00, not even close, too speed oriented.

Even if she shifts her training to be more mileage based, I'd be utterly shocked if she ever breaks 30:00 (unless she's sandbagged every race she's run, which, is possible) and even sub 15:00 in the 5,000m would be a challenge, though doable.

You realize Mo has come close to running all 3 of those times in one 10k, right? Males who can run those times absolutely are capable of breaking 29:00. I'm not saying Semenya will, just that the idea that no man is out there running 50.x, 1:53, 3:57, and 29:00 is laughable.

whoooosh... You missed the point by a mile

omygoodnes wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

You're right, she's not going to be a world-beating distance runner. However, it beats the heck out of taking hormones and running 2:02 for 800.

She could have her testicles removed surgically. They aren't necessary in a female. And that is the cause of her high testosterone numbers

Still an easy decision

Choice 1: Take hormones or get an intrusive surgery and become an also-ran at 800

Choice 2: Don't do that and become an also-ran at 5k

Hardloper wrote:

statfanatic wrote:

You realize Mo has come close to running all 3 of those times in one 10k, right? Males who can run those times absolutely are capable of breaking 29:00. I'm not saying Semenya will, just that the idea that no man is out there running 50.x, 1:53, 3:57, and 29:00 is laughable.

whoooosh... You missed the point by a mile

There was no point that was made. You imagined something that isn't there.

Next time you post don't do it sitting on a toilet and letting us all know you flush first.

Two good choices for Caster Semenya:

1) Spend much of your wealth fighting IAAF in court regarding T-level restriction for 800/1500.

2) Become a MMA fighter. This gender T-level situation is not yet an issue in MMA. Caster Semenya could get in and make quick millions.

Caster Semenya versus Christiane Santos aka Chris Cyborg or Caster Semenya versus Holly Holm. I would watch!

I doubt Caster Semenya will ever get an Olympic qualifying time for 10,000m. It would most likely be a coin toss regarding Semenya even making 5000m WC or 5000m Olympic final. Semenya could be a great MMA fighter!

Regardless of testosterone levels, Semenya is not built for longer distances. It doesn't matter if she does/doesn't have a competitive advantage, she wouldn't be able to run with the long distance crew because she's not a long distance runner!

Many posters said the same thing about various current athletes who moved up 3 to 12 times their previous specialized event and moved up on the all time world list.

By the way Caster just joined the sub 4 1500m club by winning Doha in 3:59.92 with a sub 45 last 300m.

I have very similar height and weight as Semenya, and very similar PRs 400-800-1500. Ayana would kick my ass in a 5000 and lap me in a 10,000.

Jones 12uns wrote:

Regardless of testosterone levels, Semenya is not built for longer distances. It doesn't matter if she does/doesn't have a competitive advantage, she wouldn't be able to run with the long distance crew because she's not a long distance runner!

That's right...Semenya is built like a tank, she couldn't hang with those flimsy, toothpick distance runners.

Muscle Mass wrote:

Shoebacca wrote:

I can't see Caster succeeding at 10k any time soon. Might get lucky in a few slow 5k races. There is no way Caster has a high mileage background.

She has too much muscle mass. I don't see her being one of those people who can get down to elite 5k/10k body type.

Muscle mass becomes drastically reduced, with high mileage and less emphasis on weights. Example - Lance Armstrong, classic mesomorph, came from a swim/tri. background, to become quite slender to 'win' mutiple T.F's.

Caster can run 14.30/30.00 with the right training. At 5.10/160 now, she would need to drop to 140. Doable. A very carb restricted diet like Chris Froome who is on a Keto type regime.