Ford to Stop Selling All Cars in USA By 2020 Because Americans Have Gotten Too Fat

2 idiots in this thread calling each other "moran".

It's "moron" you douchebags.

Working Harder wrote: That's because you don't own anything close to a real truck. Don't get me wrong, the Ridgeline (the last model, not current) are kind of cool but to compare them to a truck, or even a real SUV, is a joke of a comparison.

Yes, I think I clearly acknowledged that my Ridgeline (a 2012 model FWIW) is not a truck, per se. In your haste to flex your condescension and, I assume, stick up for crappy American automakers, you apparently missed that. But, hey, if being an arrogant POS makes you feel superior, more power to ya.

Ummmm most oil still is yet unburned wrote:

The United States, Canada, and Russia have enough unconventional oil reserves that we could burn oil until 2150 without any stoppage. It’s the conventional oil that may have peaked.

That's not how it will work.

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I was going to start a thread on this.

The "American" brands have been producing unappealing junk in the sedan segment for many years now. There are some good cars, but most can't compete in their class. Plenty of people still buy sedans, but they are opting for the Asian or European models because they are simply better, more reliable, or more fun to drive vehicles. If gas goes up, I am sure the CUV/SUV craze will slow, sedan sales will go up, and the American makers will have screwed themselves again. Let's hope they have some hybrid crossovers to weather the storm.

Luv2Run wrote:

https://www.nasdaq.com/article/how-much-oil-is-left-in-the-earth-cm711409

This says 53 years at current levels. But then since about 1900 the number has been 100...

It's not really important who much oil is left. It's actually more important if we will have the resources to get the oil.

More here:

Anyways, GM and Ford are global companies and they can just bring over some models from across the pond if the demand for sedans increases to the point that they can make money. For example, the entire Buick lineup.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

They just can't compete with Toyota, Honda or Nissan. Those automakers on the car industry. No one is buying an american sedan or hatchback. It is not happening.

American's only buy american trucks and SUVs.

....or Mazda. ☝️Mazda kicks some serious butt with their compact/subcompact crossover line!

Little sensitive, aren't we? My apologies if that was overly offending as I certainly didn't intend it to be. I realize you rolled back on your claim of "American truck owner" to "more like an SUV" but my counterpoint still stands; in the world of trucks there is still no equal to domestic trucks. Now, I do concede you also added a bit about "comparable vehicles" to your Ridgeline, which really there are none as it exists in a class all its own (maybe the old Subaru Baja would fit if it were still in existence, or any of the pups down under) but you still seem intent on crucifying something that doesn't line up with what you're crucifying it against.

As for Ford cars, and most domestics as well, I'll agree that they are mostly junk boxes.

This would only be possible if Trump drops any corporate average fuel economy standards. The writing would have been on the wall years ago otherwise, because for whatever reason, the trucks and SUVs are extremely profitable and the cars typically unprofitable for them. More elastic demand, clearly.

Dbdjdjdjd wrote:

Tesla builds cars in America, has a margin roughly 10% higher (25% vs 15%) than the big three, and has years long wait lists for some models.

In 20 years this will seem so short sighted.

The future is in efficient vehicles, while vehicles don’t have to be cars to be efficient, it really helps.

Cars sell if you make good ones that offer something beyond the competition.

The hell are you getting those numbers? Tesla has yet to actually make any money except for selling ZEV credits which runnout, so where is this margin coming from?

vivalarepublica wrote:

I was going to start a thread on this.

The "American" brands have been producing unappealing junk in the sedan segment for many years now. There are some good cars, but most can't compete in their class. Plenty of people still buy sedans, but they are opting for the Asian or European models because they are simply better, more reliable, or more fun to drive vehicles. If gas goes up, I am sure the CUV/SUV craze will slow, sedan sales will go up, and the American makers will have screwed themselves again. Let's hope they have some hybrid crossovers to weather the storm.

Sedans are a dying body type... Honda can't even sell the Accord compared to the CRV anymore. The most popular hybrid sold last year wasn't the Prius anymore...it was the RAV-4.

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zxcvxcvzxcv wrote:

This would only be possible if Trump drops any corporate average fuel economy standards. The writing would have been on the wall years ago otherwise, because for whatever reason, the trucks and SUVs are extremely profitable and the cars typically unprofitable for them. More elastic demand, clearly.

...or you hybridize or electrify the crossovers enough to get by the fuel economy standards, or you make wicked tiny suvs like the ecosport that are basically just cars on stilts.

The trolley thread title aside, it's a shame Ford is cutting back on the cars sold in the US. I think their recent models are actually pretty good. I think this is a short term solution that will have long term consequences.

Interestingly, they are just scaling back US sedan sales. I was recently in Europe and was surprised and encouraged by the number of Fords I saw in the UK and Ireland.

Precious Roy wrote:

Ford has consistently designed and manufactured the worst sedans on the market. Ford's sedans are ugly, terrible to drive, fall apart after 5 years and are full of bugs and un-resolvable recalls (Fusion transmission, for examples). On top of that, their manufacturing process for sedans is ancient and inefficient compared to import manufacturers. So, of course Ford loses money on sedans and is dropping them from their line.

You're confusing the Fusion transmission with the focus. The fusion is a pretty good car. And the sport variant of the focus are great too.

Jimmy Cracked Corn wrote:

2 idiots in this thread calling each other "moran".

It's "moron" you douchebags.

It's a forum meme, moran.

Maths is hard wrote:

vivalarepublica wrote:

I was going to start a thread on this.

The "American" brands have been producing unappealing junk in the sedan segment for many years now. There are some good cars, but most can't compete in their class. Plenty of people still buy sedans, but they are opting for the Asian or European models because they are simply better, more reliable, or more fun to drive vehicles. If gas goes up, I am sure the CUV/SUV craze will slow, sedan sales will go up, and the American makers will have screwed themselves again. Let's hope they have some hybrid crossovers to weather the storm.

Sedans are a dying body type... Honda can't even sell the Accord compared to the CRV anymore. The most popular hybrid sold last year wasn't the Prius anymore...it was the RAV-4.

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jalopnik.com/hondas-cutting-down-accord-production-because-were-all-1824144162

I kind of hate most SUVs, CUVs, crossovers, most trucks, whatever. They do nothing well expect rumble around. You want space and cargo room? Get a van. Need to haul stuff? Get a cargo van. You want the driving characteristics of a car with the same space as most SUVs? Get a wagon or hatchback. You want actual off-road capability? Get a Wrangler or pick-up or 4Runner. Nope, everybody just buys the jack-of-no-trades SUV because it makes them feel safe and has space.

Sadly, Americans are idiot auto buyers.

No argument there, but the market has spoken. American companies sent ceding sedans to Asian companies. Nobidy:s buying any. Hyundai's also in trouble because their lineup is too car heavy.

Maths is hard wrote:

No argument there, but the market has spoken. American companies sent ceding sedans to Asian companies. Nobidy:s buying any. Hyundai's also in trouble because their lineup is too car heavy.

Yea, Ford and GM have pretty much given up in the car department.

Could be, but Hyundai is a smart company. Reliability was their big issue and they have turned that around recently. They just introduced the Kona. Genesis is the best bang for the buck in the luxury segment. If gas prices go up and hybrids/EVs make a comeback, people might notice that the Ioniq is a better deal than the Prius. And at the low end of the market for people that just need a car, the Accent and Elantra are more appealing than most offerings. I see a lot of cheap Hyundai's and Kia's on the road around here (although I have not crunched the numbers on the low end segment.

MelRnr wrote:

The trolley thread title aside, it's a shame Ford is cutting back on the cars sold in the US. I think their recent models are actually pretty good. I think this is a short term solution that will have long term consequences.

Interestingly, they are just scaling back US sedan sales. I was recently in Europe and was surprised and encouraged by the number of Fords I saw in the UK and Ireland.

I agree. Europeans actually love Fords & consider them to be good cars. Fiesta has been the #1 selling car in the UK for years & the Focus usually falls in 2nd or 3rd. I'm not sure why American's hate Fords so much? There's also a bigger Ford car offered in Europe that's popular. I can't think of the name.

This whole ordeal is sad because we need more emphasis on smaller cars in the U.S. With the focus, Ford offers/offered one of the more sporty cars that could actually compete with the Civic's, Volkswagens, etc. I've always considered Fusions to be nice cars too.