Missouri Athletes Not Allowed to Run Arcadia

Mo Sense wrote:

Does it really matter, just two over-hyped HS school kids, that in the grand scheme of things will not do anything worth talking about at the college level at Mizzou. So i say suck it up and race the people in your state or near you and stop crying over not getting to go on a trip to California. run for your team and then do your own thing in the summer, or pull a Perkins and bounce on your team.

Whoa there Mark Bubalo, take it easy!

The track coach should have the final call on this one, not an administrator. If the coach thinks having these athletes compete in an out-of-state championship meet will hurt his team in some way (perhaps they have another meet scheduled the same day or day before or after the championship meet or he doesn't want them to miss a critical training block), then the coach should be able to direct the athletes to stay home with the team. If the coach is OK with them competing in the championship and the funds to go there and compete are not coming from the school budget, then I believe it is very wrong to have an administrator with zero skin in the game prevent them from competing. No valid reason for the administrator to even weigh in here, really. His opinion is irrelevant and unnecessary, or at least should be. The chain of command in the decision-making in this case is wrong. It is unfortunate to have to say this, because attorneys seem to be suing everybody about everything these days, but I think a good attorney could get this decision reversed if there were time to do so.

Mo Sense wrote:

Does it really matter, just two over-hyped HS school kids, that in the grand scheme of things will not do anything worth talking about at the college level at Mizzou. So i say suck it up and race the people in your state or near you and stop crying over not getting to go on a trip to California. run for your team and then do your own thing in the summer, or pull a Perkins and bounce on your team.

High school kids, dude. You a crappy person. They aren’t over hyped. They are good kids and solid runners. They are great students, amazing teammates. Neither of them will bounce out on their team because they are excellent teammates. Theat out team before themselves many times throughout the season. When we ran against Tori for our freshman meet. It’s was freezing rain, and she showed up to support her underclassman, help out coaches and cheered on athletes from other school. As a rival, sure I would love to race and beat her. I also recognize she is a class above most of us in the state and has always been respectable to my team.

This, 100%. Both coaches support (and teammates ). Support them going. There are limited opportunities for these kiddos and this would have been a big opportunity to line up against the best. They will get competition at KU, but both athletes also look forward to the team aspect of KU relays. By not allowing them to go to Arcadia, this limits the athletes and coaches at KU. They are now forced to decide if they will races the opens for personal competition and record or if they run with teammates in relays.

The opportunity to go to Arcadia doesn’t negatively impact the teams or the district here.

Mo Sense wrote:

Does it really matter, just two over-hyped HS school kids, that in the grand scheme of things will not do anything worth talking about at the college level at Mizzou. So i say suck it up and race the people in your state or near you and stop crying over not getting to go on a trip to California. run for your team and then do your own thing in the summer, or pull a Perkins and bounce on your team.

One could have said the same about Karissa Schweizer in High School but look at her now...

This is interesting to me. I've long thought the expenses of college track teams are overblown. Way too much expensive travel and missed class time. And we're talking about HS here. That being said, if they are going to pay their own way, then I think his decision is absurd. That being said I agree with this ideas behind this statement.

The AD said:

It isn't just about cost. It's about missing class time. It's about not going to a meet with the rest of your team. And it's just about traveling that distance to go to a high school track meet. We have plenty of high school track meets right here in Missouri. We didn't feel like, in terms of what our philosophy is in high school sports, we didn't feel like they should attend a meet in California when the rest of their teammates are competing in Missouri.

I like much of that but then he takes it too far and acts like it wouldn't benefit them individuall to go to CA. Of course it would.

Not too sure on this one wrote:

It’s hard to argue with the AD on this one considering the main point is that they want their team to compete as a team rather than send top people off to places like Arcadia. That and the fact the AD surely has no clue of the significance of Arcadia’s 3200.

How much you want to bet the AD voted for Trump and owns at least 3 guns?

More likely voted for Hillary, loves bureaucracy and wants a big carbon tax to control your travel and offset emissions.

The ironic thing about the whole missing school and hurting the team excuse is that both teams are participating in a non team scored meet that will result in missed classes this week (girls today, boys tomorrow).

Agree with Rojo here, but I'm going to take the counter stance. All of these 'National' caliber High School Meets are out of control. NBIN and NBON (money grabs and often have watered down fields based on the travel and fees that make it prohibitively expensive). How many people are willing to spend $1000+ on a backpack?

What I really meant to say is:

Agree with Rojo here, but I'm going to take the counter stance. All of these 'National' caliber High School Meets are out of control. NBIN and NBON (money grabs and often have watered down fields based on the travel and fees that make it prohibitively expensive). How many people are willing to spend $1000+ on a backpack?

In 6 months they'll be racing against top competition in the SEC. And most likely getting their butts kicked.

As an educator, what fascinates me most here is the philosophical approach to education.

So this guy believes the band will learn more from another two more days of pre-calc then a week in Ireland?

And similarly, this guy believes these two children will not learn more from an experience in California than yet another experience in Missouri with the same old Missouri runners?

I certainly don't want to turn this into a political discussion, but the red midwest states fascinate me.

His interview reads like something an antagonist in a John L. Parker novel would say. All this nonsense about how allowing them to run in CA would somehow be at the expense of the team.

Of course, I'm sure their teammates would all be thrilled and would all get together to watch the races and cheer their teammates on from afar.

I think telling a kid that they can't compete in a meet across the country is idiotic for several reasons.

They're paying their own way - it costs the school district nothing.

They will have a chance to face better competition than they would in Missouri. This is indisputable. Even if there are 1-2 people that could push them that's much, much different than getting in a race where you have 10-15 people that will push you.

They will have the chance to visit a new place. I think this is big. For a Midwestern kid to have the chance to go to California for a few days has educational value. It absolutely does. I went to Mt. SAC in college. It's the only time I've been to California. It was a good experience. I've done a lot of travelling for track to places I'd never have visited otherwise.

The teammates would *want* them to leave the team behind to go to this meet. At least if they're worth a crap. I remember we had a kid on my team who went to the Mobile Meet of Champions and it was a big deal. He got beat, ran a great time, and it motivated us to try to qualify for the meet ourselves. My senior year we had 4 kids qualify, including myself. Good teammates want to see their teammates compete.

Not too sure on this one wrote:

How much you want to bet the AD voted for Trump and owns at least 3 guns?

I voted for Trump and own at least three firearms, AND fully understand the relevance of running Arcadia. Your comment is retarded.

Mtn Dew wrote:

A quick search shows that the Blue Springs basketball team left Missouri to go to Arkansas and Kansas this year.

capricious and arbitrary decision by the AD. sad reasoning.

That's a great point. Both of these runners are right on track to be good college runners. Regardless what people think about the topic, personal attacks are unnecessary. I am unaware that the runners are complaining.

Chuck S wrote:

As an educator, what fascinates me most here is the philosophical approach to education.

So this guy believes the band will learn more from another two more days of pre-calc then a week in Ireland?

And similarly, this guy believes these two children will not learn more from an experience in California than yet another experience in Missouri with the same old Missouri runners?

I certainly don't want to turn this into a political discussion, but the red midwest states fascinate me.

If you don't want to turn it into a political discussion leave your stupid political remarks out of it. This is one administrator making this decision, not a political party, not Trump, and not the Midwest.

CLT49erRunner wrote:

Mo Sense wrote:

Does it really matter, just two over-hyped HS school kids, that in the grand scheme of things will not do anything worth talking about at the college level at Mizzou. So i say suck it up and race the people in your state or near you and stop crying over not getting to go on a trip to California. run for your team and then do your own thing in the summer, or pull a Perkins and bounce on your team.

Whoa there Mark Bubalo, take it easy!

Yes. We’re all dead in the long run so why even arise from bed?