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Spot the idiot wrote:

Let me guess, you are also opposed to vaccinations and antibiotics?

He's immune to infection now because he doesn't eat a banana, so what use does he have for antibiotics?

First of all, you are way too high to even qualify as being on keto/low carb diet. To enter ketosis, you need to go below 50 g per day for sure and for most it's required to go below 20 (depending on your weight).

Secondly, as I wrote in my first post (and what the most keto fans including you seem not to understand), the problem is not the high-carb-low-fat or high-fat-low-carb diet. The problem is the typical American high-carb-high-fat diet that is wrecking your health, because the fat is driving the insulin resistance not the carbs (look up real reaserches in pubmed not the "paleo" fanpages). If you consume junk food that is high fat and high sugar, you create a situation where you are constantly having high blood sugar and pushing your pancreas in overdrive until they are unable to sustain this.

Thirdly, the claim that our ancestors ate similar in terms of macros for millions of years so it is the oldest "diet" is complete nonsense. Please, for your own good study some anthropology. The diet of our ancestors where extreme and very different from anything we can even come close today. Mostly it consisted of what can be found at the place they lived. Apart from the utopian imagination of rich fields with delishous foods, they mostly ate very poor diets consising of things as extreme as liches, tree bark, raw organ meat etc. They spent more than 20 hours per week just to obtain food and lived an average of 25-30 years.

Is this moran the epitome of a hobby jogger or what? Consuming multiple energy gels during a half marathon? You don't even need to consume water if the weather is fine.

Conclusion

These data suggest that diets lower in carbohydrate and higher in fat and protein do not increase the risk of type 2 diabetes in women. In fact, diets rich in vegetable sources of fat and protein may modestly reduce the risk of diabetes.

And how does this goes against what I said? You are comparing apples to oranges and assuming things that are not.

I never said that HIGH fat LOW carb diets increase diabetes risk, I said (twice) that HIGH fat HIGH carb diet increase diabetes risk. Is this really that hard to understand this difference.

Please show me at least one reaserch that concludes that HIGH carb LOW fat diet increase diabetes risk. Yes, you can't, because there is none. So don't assume things that are not said.

HCLF wrote:

Conclusion

These data suggest that diets lower in carbohydrate and higher in fat and protein do not increase the risk of type 2 diabetes in women. In fact, diets rich in vegetable sources of fat and protein may modestly reduce the risk of diabetes.

And how does this goes against what I said? You are comparing apples to oranges and assuming things that are not.

I never said that HIGH fat LOW carb diets increase diabetes risk, I said (twice) that HIGH fat HIGH carb diet increase diabetes risk. Is this really that hard to understand this difference.

Please show me at least one reaserch that concludes that HIGH carb LOW fat diet increase diabetes risk. Yes, you can't, because there is none. So don't assume things that are not said.

And the winner is on a high carb VEGAN diet FTW.

I find this interesting in how the writer felt during the race , having a good sustained energy effort.

patti wrote:

I find this interesting in how the writer felt during the race , having a good sustained energy effort.

Patti: What was your diet like back in the day? Did you consume anything other than water and/or Gatorade during marathons and what was your energy level like during races?

50-75g is too much to be keto, but is LCHF: Low-carb - high-fat.

5-20g is common among keto; to be in ketosis.

Nothing wrong with keto if you are sensible.

For those railing against it, the scientific community has PhD's fully for it and PhD' fully against it and PhD's who don't know the latest science either way.

Let them research it out.

For now, if you want to work out and V02 max matters, keto is not going to work.

Otherwise it is a great diet/lifestyle.

Many of (but not all) the posts above are by posters that lack an understanding. Both parties need to research both LCHF and HFLC....

The primary issue with carbs is refined carb consumption and too much consumption of otherwise healthy foods with a high glycemic index + lack of exercise. Don't look at your fellow runner - I mean even a 1:33 half marathon runners who looks moderately slim is probably decently healthy. Go to the mall and look at your normal American: obese.

Naturally occurring carbs in whole foods is absolutely perfectly healthy.

The typical North American diet consists of too much refined carbs like breads, pastas, doughnuts, wraps, candy, white sugar, muffins, juice, soda, candy bars, cakes, cookies, crackers, cereals, ice-cream, chips etc etc.

For those that watch two hours of television at night while snacking on convenience foods, then hit the hay because they are having a carb-insulin crash store all that carb as fat, plus for every gram of carb stored 2.5 more grams of water is stored with it.

Low-but-healthy-carb + high healthy fat is easy to do and healthy, just remove anything made with refined sugar and flour. Done.

Effort is individual. You can't say a particular pace is jogging just because it might not be for us.

Those three "delishous" extreme things are loaded with good things.

People today spend 20 hours per week obtaining food so that hasn't changed.

Athletics Illustrated wrote:

The typical North American diet consists of too much refined carbs like breads, pastas, doughnuts, wraps, candy, white sugar, muffins, juice, soda, candy bars, cakes, cookies, crackers, cereals, ice-cream, chips etc etc.

True, but note that doughnuts, candy bars, ice-cream, and many cakes and cookies actually have more calories from fat than from carbs. You could recall them "refined fats".

And extra calories will be stored as fat regardless whether they are from carbs or fat.

All that fat in your blood w the keto diet will give you a heart attack and diabetes. Along w impotence.

I did the carbo load for one of my marathons , I think it was my 3rd at NIKE and I felt low and struggled the last few miles.

Two weeks later ( I think it was, maybe 3 ) ran another marathon within seconds of my 3rd marathon .

I don't remember exactly what I ate for that race, though I know it wasn't the carbo loading. I never did it again and won't now. I probably had a peanut butter sandwich the day before.

However, I do remember what I ate before New York in 80. French onion soup and ice cream. Nothing the morning of the race, just water.

I didn't have Gatorade.

After races I had ERG. Just water during some of the races if available.

I did keto for 5 months, took a break. Didn't go wild with the carbs during the break. I am now two weeks in for another round. I rather like it. Well, my body does.

I think the biggest change for me was cutting out sugar and white flour and grains.

I find myself enjoying the streaming of sustained energy. I am able to go anout my day without crashing or pumping myself up to get through an afternoon.

Reading about the digestive system and how it all works and the micro and macro nutrients , I find this interesting.

One thing I absolutely enjoy is bulletproof coffee. I remember reading about Ryan Hall in runners world that he put butter in his coffee. I thought ewe, yuck.

Well, this past June i had my first cup. Made it myself..got all the stuff 4th & Heart, my fave ghee, I use in my coffee along with mct oil and cinnamon with an egg yolk. I love, love love it. When I travel, I take it all with me.

Still finding my way around. The more I read and do, the more I'm understanding.

Hubby is doing it too.

Patti- try this LCHF dessert:

8-10 oz sour cream

handful of blueberries

handful of nuts of your choice

stevia to taste

3 tbsp coconut oil in liquid (I have to zap in microwave 20-30sec most of the year), pour over all and indulge!

(If it's brunch whip up a few eggs and mix in)

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Today I spent 4 hours breaking up hard clay soil with a shovel and pitchfork prepping for a new lawn, then 3 hours in the climbing gym, then set a new running heart rate PR for 140 bpm. Felt downright "Kenyan" by the end of the 7 miles. Just poppin along like a bawwsss

This sh&% works and works WELL.

"Break on through to the other side... EVERYBODY loves my baby! She gets...Hiigghhhh" -Jim MF Morrison

YMMV wrote:

List your "healthy carbs".

Well for me healthy carbs = whatever I want. But you might not have the genes for that.

Scientists Phinney, Volek, Noakes and quite a few others tell us that it is not fats that cause coronary artery disease, diabetes, and obesity and never did, it was a big fat lie.

I am starting to believe it. Check the Ancel Keys Seven Nation Study.

Refined carbs and lack of exercise cause it.

Yes high fat raises cholesterol, but it raises good cholesterol HDL (High-Density Lipoproteins) along with bad cholesterol LDL (Low-Density Lipoprotein) and apparently there is a bad and a not so bad LDL - one denser than the other.

I am sure the science is not settled but look at the correlation of history with the first world food guides:

The foundation of the food guides is carb-containing foods: fruit, juice, pasta, grains, breads etc etc. They came out in the '60s and '70s.

The smallest part of the food guide is fats.

When the food guides came out, the increase in coronary artery disease, obesity and diabetes type 2 escalated. And they continue to escalate and are actually called "epidemics" which is ridiculous.

Go into your local convenience store "food selection" is 80% sugar/refined carbs? I have seen it.

First time I took a trip into the US for any length of time, I was mesmerized by the size of people. Disneyland was like an obese-person grazing facility. Entire families obese. People packing knapsacks with sugar-heavy "foods" to waddle around a theme park.

I think there is some misinformation out there with both sides of the LCHF and HCLF diets, but there is a lot of evidence going against REFINED carbs (very different from a whole strawberry or apple).

Anyway, I will continue to be LCHF/almost keto as my GI system is way the heck happier without refined carbs. My post-meal downer is tempered a lot, I lost a lot of weight (mostly stored water-sure), and food tastes way better full of fats.

So again you say the same that I was telling from the beginning - high carb low fat diet provides the same benefit. It's said in plain text

I will repeat it once again. Type 2 diabetes is caused because insulin cannot do it's work due to excess lipids (fat) in your system (blood, extracellular space). You can achieve this high blood sugar state if eating junk food high in carb and high in fat at the same time.

As I said it multiple times in this thread - the fight is not between HCLF or HFLC diet. In the first case (HCLF) you limit fat (that drives insulin resistance), in second case (HFLC) - you limit carbohydrates, that rises blood sugar. My personal opinion is that it's much better and easier to follow HCLF diet than HFLC because state of ketosis is associated with other risk factors. Also for an endurance athlete a HCLF is a must in my opionon (I am not talking about hobby joggers here).