Sebastian Coe vs Said Aouita - 1500/mile race - Who would win?

Coeva wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEQRqtsTVzg&t=300s

Compilation of Cova's famous final sprint kick.

But if someone took on the pace early and made the 10000m race fast, Cova had no chance.

Cova only peaked for championships. In the 1984 Olympic final, Cova--following Martii Vainio until about 200 meters remained--ran the last 5000 in 13:27--at that time an extraordinarily fast 2nd half split, as the WR at the time was 27:13.81.

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Coeva wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEQRqtsTVzg&t=300s

Compilation of Cova's famous final sprint kick.

But if someone took on the pace early and made the 10000m race fast, Cova had no chance.

Cova only peaked for championships. In the 1984 Olympic final, Cova--following Martii Vainio until about 200 meters remained--ran the last 5000 in 13:27--at that time an extraordinarily fast 2nd half split, as the WR at the time was 27:13.81.

With 200 metres to go, Cova unleashed his finishing sprint and won by almost 25 metres, running that 200 in 27.7

27.7 for the last 200m and he wasn't even in full sprint mode. Not bad.

Blacko wrote:

Coevett wrote:

LA in the 1500. Aouita claimed that Coe's gold medal there was 'hollow', which sums up the sort of person he was.

Coe didn't have to deal with the Soviets, the East Germans... Not hollow but not really that meaningful.

Same goes for Aouita's medal though.

And you are really creative. So I was born in '74/'75? I " spew anti-white racism and doping apologism of the most extreme and consistant kind"?

I will give you USD $10,000 if you can prove that.

Coe had already dealt with the East Germans and Soviets 4 years earlier in Moscow!

There were no medal contenders in the 1500 in 84 missing due to the boycott. And just to prove the point, Coe destroyed the fastest German that year, Busse, in Zurich a couple of weeks later.

Same for Aouita in the 5k. There was no one missing who would have been a threat to him. Your whole point is moot.

Coeva wrote:

lol lol lol lol wrote:

Cova only peaked for championships. In the 1984 Olympic final, Cova--following Martii Vainio until about 200 meters remained--ran the last 5000 in 13:27--at that time an extraordinarily fast 2nd half split, as the WR at the time was 27:13.81.

With 200 metres to go, Cova unleashed his finishing sprint and won by almost 25 metres, running that 200 in 27.7

27.7 for the last 200m and he wasn't even in full sprint mode. Not bad.

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Coe has probably done more to clean up athletics since his presidency than every previous holder of the position put together.

Blacko wrote:

Coevett wrote:

LA in the 1500. Aouita claimed that Coe's gold medal there was 'hollow', which sums up the sort of person he was.

Coe didn't have to deal with the Soviets, the East Germans... Not hollow but not really that meaningful.

Same goes for Aouita's medal though.

And you are really creative. So I was born in '74/'75? I " spew anti-white racism and doping apologism of the most extreme and consistant kind"?

I will give you USD $10,000 if you can prove that.

You normally say (under 'jlkjlk' whatever) that Straub would have won the 1500 LA gold as well. Maybe it's finally gotten through to your thick skull that Straub retired in 1980 after Moscow (where he was thrashed by Coe on home Soviet turf).

You make exactly the same arguments over and over again, the same mindless vitriol against myself, and Coe, often within 5 minutes of one of your other main handles (jlkjlk). Under that name you once claimed specifically to be 'from the same class of Meb' (and another East African American runner of the same generation (but not Lagat)).' The other day (as Blacko) you claimed to be a Kenyan American runner who gets regularly tested. You accuse me of 'making excuses for slow white runners', which apparently in your mind includes the likes of Steve Cram, who you accuse of doping.

I don't have to prove anything. You're almost certainly a 25 minute white 5K park runner fantasist, but you do seem to want to give a certain famous runner a bad name here. Sort of like El K x 1000 the insanity (where is El K btw,? haven't seen him for a while. Maybe the last Kenyan doping bust was the final straw for him).

Deanouk wrote:

Blacko wrote:

Coe didn't have to deal with the Soviets, the East Germans... Not hollow but not really that meaningful.

Same goes for Aouita's medal though.

And you are really creative. So I was born in '74/'75? I " spew anti-white racism and doping apologism of the most extreme and consistant kind"?

I will give you USD $10,000 if you can prove that.

Coe had already dealt with the East Germans and Soviets 4 years earlier in Moscow!

There were no medal contenders in the 1500 in 84 missing due to the boycott. And just to prove the point, Coe destroyed the fastest German that year, Busse, in Zurich a couple of weeks later.

Same for Aouita in the 5k. There was no one missing who would have been a threat to him. Your whole point is moot.

My point is not moot. The runners from boycotting countries didn't train to peak in the Olympic Games.

But I will go no further with this.

I have read your posts for years and even if you often make good points, when it comes to defending your heroes you become blind to other possibilities.

Happy New Year anyway.

No. I have a registered name I have used for years but I choose not to use it here.

I don't post under those adsafdsfs kjkljkl, etc., names.

The rest of your paragraph is therefore garbage.

Read above.

Not me.

So the rest is garbage.

So that ^^ wasn't me.

First sentence correct.

Second incorrect (cue the word "slow"). And I have never accused any of your heroes of doping.

Not here, not anywhere. Never.

I am actually a big fan of Peter Coe's work, even if I think he disregarded a couple of important aspects with runners other than his son.

I wouldn't be a fan if I thought Seb was doping.

You are funny sometimes. :)

I don't wish to give anyone a bad name. I started posting here because sometimes I have enough of your attitudes. Maybe I should grow up and learn to ignore the trolls.

You missed out on $10,000 anyway.

Anyone have the original English version of this documentary on Aouita?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-EpMRDCk10

Judging by Aouita's third place finish in 1983 World Championship 1500m final; 1988 Olympics third place in 800m final, I figure Aouita was a 47.75 400m man.

400m/Aouita wrote:

Judging by Aouita's third place finish in 1983 World Championship 1500m final; 1988 Olympics third place in 800m final, I figure Aouita was a 47.75 400m man.

Please elaborate.

GDR wrote:

400m/Aouita wrote:

Judging by Aouita's third place finish in 1983 World Championship 1500m final; 1988 Olympics third place in 800m final, I figure Aouita was a 47.75 400m man.

Please elaborate.

I have no inside information. I don't think it possible to race 800m in 1:44.06 in Olympics after a couple rounds of heats without sub-48 400m speed. 1983 World Championship men 1500m final was basically a jog through 1000m. Aoutia went to the front and gave a good effort. I don't think it would have been possible to race the last 500m as fast as Cram, Scott and Aouita did without all three possessing sub-48 400m ability on that day. If Aouita were much faster than 47.75 400m, I feel like he would have focused only on 800m & 1500m.

400m/Aouita wrote:

GDR wrote:

Please elaborate.

I have no inside information. I don't think it possible to race 800m in 1:44.06 in Olympics after a couple rounds of heats without sub-48 400m speed. 1983 World Championship men 1500m final was basically a jog through 1000m. Aoutia went to the front and gave a good effort. I don't think it would have been possible to race the last 500m as fast as Cram, Scott and Aouita did without all three possessing sub-48 400m ability on that day. If Aouita were much faster than 47.75 400m, I feel like he would have focused only on 800m & 1500m.

I read somewhere Aouita has an unofficial 400m PB on 46.9.

Coe officially is 46.87.

Bane wrote:

Deanouk wrote:

I’m not lieing. Cova ran 13:40 in 1980, the same season Coe beat him on the roads. Yes Cova ran it in the summer a few months after the road race, but it still makes him a 13:40 man that season. The point remains. If Coe could beat someone who is soon to run 13:40, and Coe himself would also have improved from a road race in March or April to the summer track season, by 31 seconds, proves his 14:06 pb was a training run and not reflective of his ability or potential over 5000m.

Cova was probably injured. 31 seconds is ridiculous.

The Italian was no where close to his prime.

Yes Cova was yet to dabble into the Reindeer milk. Once he did there was no stopping him.

Pius XIII wrote:

400m/Aouita wrote:

I have no inside information. I don't think it possible to race 800m in 1:44.06 in Olympics after a couple rounds of heats without sub-48 400m speed. 1983 World Championship men 1500m final was basically a jog through 1000m. Aoutia went to the front and gave a good effort. I don't think it would have been possible to race the last 500m as fast as Cram, Scott and Aouita did without all three possessing sub-48 400m ability on that day. If Aouita were much faster than 47.75 400m, I feel like he would have focused only on 800m & 1500m.

I read somewhere Aouita has an unofficial 400m PB on 46.9.

Coe officially is 46.87.

Calculo times aren't real times.

Coeuita wrote:

yoevett wrote:

Ovett won the 86 Commonwealth Games 5000. Walker was 5th in that race.

Walker ran way too long past his prime.

Once Coe and Ovett came to the scene, Walker was just another runner.

Hey no dissing big John, he was a cripple after 1976 but still ran 3:49flat on cross training, "maximum respect."

Pius XIII wrote:

400m/Aouita wrote:

I have no inside information. I don't think it possible to race 800m in 1:44.06 in Olympics after a couple rounds of heats without sub-48 400m speed. 1983 World Championship men 1500m final was basically a jog through 1000m. Aoutia went to the front and gave a good effort. I don't think it would have been possible to race the last 500m as fast as Cram, Scott and Aouita did without all three possessing sub-48 400m ability on that day. If Aouita were much faster than 47.75 400m, I feel like he would have focused only on 800m & 1500m.

I read somewhere Aouita has an unofficial 400m PB on 46.9.

Coe officially is 46.87.

Yes, that time of 46.9 is listed in the “Greatest Distance Runners” site under Aouita’s list of races. If memory serves, it is listed as a ‘training’ run from 1981, so 2 years before his breakthrough, and no track or date can be attributed to it. I have also seen/ read that time elsewhere back in the day, so I’m not claiming the compiler of the list made it up!

However, the fact the provenance is dubious would tend to make me think it was elaborated in some way. If Aouita had maintained that sort of 400 ability in the mid-late 80’s ~ when running 5k around 13 flat, then he surely should have run much faster than his 1:43.86 pb!

Coe’s official pb was indeed 46.87, though I think he showed enough in some of his relays that he was capable of 46 flat at least.

I have an article from Athletics Today on Aouita, when he talks about a training session he did with Coe (in Switzerland iirc) in the summer of 85, when Coe wasn’t having a great season. and Aouita commented that Coe ‘still has so much speed,’ adding that he held the stop watch for Coe and timed him at 46.8 for a 400m tt. At that point I would have expected Aouita to have added a similar time for himself, had he done so.

In concluding, I doubt Aouita ran a 46.9 in 81. The fact that it was a training run and neither a date or track is given for it would tend to corroborate that premis.

However, I have no doubt Aouita was capable of around 47 mid - high in his best years of 84,85 and probably in 88 when he trained specifically for the 2 laps.

Coevett wrote:

Coe has probably done more to clean up athletics since his presidency than every previous holder of the position put together.

That's debatable.

Do you know why Aouita ran his 800m races from the back? It appears he never attempted to run a fast 800m.

This differs his front running preference when he was chasing WRs in longer events.