Could a 5-foot-4 125-pound professional boxer pretty much beat up any 6-2 200-pound guy who is athletic but has not fighting

Yes, I see what you are saying.. so many 'ifs' in his statement.. I counted ZERO ifs!

I bartended at this dive bar in the early 90s. I remember this one time this guy had too much to drink and started rattling off about a lot of things but one was how he was a boxer and about all these bouts here won. We had to settle him down a few times because he was getting out of control. He got into an argument with a bigger guy. The "boxer" was probably 5'6-5'7" and the other guy was 6'-6'2" and 200-225, so it kind of fits this thread narrative. Next thing I know the boxer guy backs up, gets into a stance. The big guy rushed him with like the "superman" punch we used to do as kids. Just launches himself at the guy and hits him squarely in the face. Both of them hit the ground, but only the big guy got up. The "boxer" was laid out on the floor - bloody mouth and front teeth missing. I'd never seen someone knocked out before and thought he was dead until he started moving. His buddy basically grabbed him under the arms and dragged him out of the bar. Nothing like mopping up a pool of blood off the bar room floor. He must have been a bleeder because it was a lot of blood. We found one of his teeth the next day before open about 15-20 feet away from where he hit the floor.

Actually 75 pounds of muscle and bone will make your head better at taking punches (there have been studies done that have basically shown that someone with larger wrists will have a better chin than someone with smaller wrists as it is an indicator of bone density and size). Additionally, most of the studies measure PSI (force over area) and not total force (either in pounds or newtons). Hatton's 880 is impressive, but not as impressive as Bruno's 1400 or Tyson's estimated 1800. The displacement of a person's head (and the resultant sloshing of the brain inside the skull) will be determined by the overall force, the weight of the head and not the PSI. PSI is relatively the same across weight classes. What is not the same is the area and weight of the hands / fists and the thickness of bone absorbing the impact.

joedirt wrote:

Actually 75 pounds of muscle and bone will make your head better at taking punches (there have been studies done that have basically shown that someone with larger wrists will have a better chin than someone with smaller wrists as it is an indicator of bone density and size). Additionally, most of the studies measure PSI (force over area) and not total force (either in pounds or newtons). Hatton's 880 is impressive, but not as impressive as Bruno's 1400 or Tyson's estimated 1800. The displacement of a person's head (and the resultant sloshing of the brain inside the skull) will be determined by the overall force, the weight of the head and not the PSI. PSI is relatively the same across weight classes. What is not the same is the area and weight of the hands / fists and the thickness of bone absorbing the impact.

200lbs is just not that heavy. Probably seems heavy to a letsrun audience but in reality those guys are not the Hulk.

A punch from a sober 125lb professional boxer will still break bone and be more than enough to put the 200lb man down.

No, they aren't going to deliver 1400lbs+ of force but you know as well as I do that would kill a man with ease. A super heavy weight pro boxer like Tyson could cause your head to undergo 50 G+ of acceleration if he connected one of those mega hits and you would simply be dead. Also Bruno and Tyson weighed significantly more than 200lbs.

We are saying the 125lb boxer could still punch hard enough, strike fast enough (0.1 seconds is unbelievable, nobody could dodge that punch) and accurately enough to put a bigger man down. Maybe not kill him like Bruno but that's not the aim. Although I still think Hatton would, anyone that watched him fight should understand that.

If they got into a grappling match then of course the heavier man would likely win. If the boxer just boxed it would be over before it started.

No refs, no ring, no rules, no gloves...200 lb wins 99/100 times.

It would take a series of lucky blows by the 125lber to do some significant damage.

I don’t you people understand the huge difference between 5’4” 125lber and 6’2” 200lber athlete.

T Rex versus Brontosaurus comes to mind.

Hitman Hernia wrote:

Face the facts jax wrote:

You can’t beat physics.

The little guy can punch and punch, will do little damage. One solid punch by the 200 pound guy will send the small one into bolivian. .

Naseem Hamed @125 lbs used to frequently knock out heavyweights in sparring sessions, even with gloves on his hands and them wearing head protection.

Ummm. Yeah. Those tall tales have been proven to not be true.

The Big Myth wrote:

Hitman Hernia wrote:

Naseem Hamed @125 lbs used to frequently knock out heavyweights in sparring sessions, even with gloves on his hands and them wearing head protection.

Ummm. Yeah. Those tall tales have been proven to not be true.

Where?

Hitman Hernia wrote:

The Big Myth wrote:

Ummm. Yeah. Those tall tales have been proven to not be true.

Where?

Pretty much everyone that’s around the boxing business knows this.

The Big Myth wrote:

Hitman Hernia wrote:

Where?

Pretty much everyone that’s around the boxing business knows this.

Who?

Fisky03 wrote:

I don’t you people understand the huge difference between 5’4” 125lber and 6’2” 200lber athlete.

They don't want to understand, they want to deny. They're all much closer to 125 themselves.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Fisky03 wrote:

I don’t you people understand the huge difference between 5’4” 125lber and 6’2” 200lber athlete.

They don't want to understand, they want to deny. They're all much closer to 125 themselves.

No, you're wilfully ignorant as to the power of specificity and talent.

Take a big athletic NFL star and ask them to stop Lionel Messi in a game of soccer, or Jason Robinson on the rugby field, or Steph Curry on the court. Give Deontay Wilder a shot and see if he can throw it as far as Bryan Clay.

I'm 6'3, 160lb, you're wrong.

Hitman Hernia wrote:

The Big Myth wrote:

Pretty much everyone that’s around the boxing business knows this.

Who?

Apparently, everyone but you.

A boxer's camp exaggerating the accomplishments of a boxer? Say it ain't so.

fledermaus wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

They don't want to understand, they want to deny. They're all much closer to 125 themselves.

No, you're wilfully ignorant as to the power of specificity and talent.

Take a big athletic NFL star and ask them to stop Lionel Messi in a game of soccer, or Jason Robinson on the rugby field, or Steph Curry on the court. Give Deontay Wilder a shot and see if he can throw it as far as Bryan Clay.

I'm 6'3, 160lb, you're wrong.

Why did you choose all ball sports? What have you been thinking about you naughty boy.

Small drunk guy who (dubiously) claims to have boxed getting knocked out in a bar....no relevance to whether a professional featherweight could beat up a bigger guy.

Anyway, here's a 240lb+ international athlete taking a punch from a punch he doesn't see coming (from a 19 year old non boxer).

PS. Doubt Prince Naseem was knocking out pro heavyweights, but what ability he had. The idea of Naz fighting an athletic non-fighter of any size...

The Big Myth wrote:

Hitman Hernia wrote:

Naseem Hamed @125 lbs used to frequently knock out heavyweights in sparring sessions, even with gloves on his hands and them wearing head protection.

Ummm. Yeah. Those tall tales have been proven to not be true.

My BIL is a promoter on the side and has been around boxing his whole life. I asked him about this and he said it was just an exaggeration. I believe his exact words were. Sh!t never happened. Anybody who still believes it is a dumbnf. His words not mine.

The Jersey Kid wrote:

The Big Myth wrote:

Ummm. Yeah. Those tall tales have been proven to not be true.

My BIL is a promoter on the side and has been around boxing his whole life. I asked him about this and he said it was just an exaggeration. I believe his exact words were. Sh!t never happened. Anybody who still believes it is a dumbnf. His words not mine.

My brother was on the sparring circuit for a number of years (in the UK) at that time, regularly sparring with Eubanks and a few others on a regular basis. What he told me as first-hand information, was that in Sheffield, Frank Warren walked in on Nasem and one of his heavyweights was on the canvas. He was livid and gave everyone an earful.

Hitman Hernia wrote:

The Jersey Kid wrote:

My BIL is a promoter on the side and has been around boxing his whole life. I asked him about this and he said it was just an exaggeration. I believe his exact words were. Sh!t never happened. Anybody who still believes it is a dumbnf. His words not mine.

My brother was on the sparring circuit for a number of years (in the UK) at that time, regularly sparring with Eubanks and a few others on a regular basis. What he told me as first-hand information, was that in Sheffield, Frank Warren walked in on Nasem and one of his heavyweights was on the canvas. He was livid and gave everyone an earful.

I heard the same story, but he had knocked out three heavyweights in three successive 2 minute sparring rounds. Warren was pizzed.