Ryan Hall posts training program for his 13 year old daughter - reasonable??

Strava or it didn't happen.

Has it occured to you that Hall knows (and everyone here ignores) how she's responding to that training every single day? What makes you think he'll force his own daughter to push beyond what she can handle? Who's to say he doesn't have to hold her back?

Indeed, we should ask her what she thinks

Why is she training hardere than Jakob Ingebrigtsen did at that age?

That seems like a lot for a 13 year old.

Mizuno fanboy wrote:

Has it occured to you that Hall knows (and everyone here ignores) how she's responding to that training every single day? What makes you think he'll force his own daughter to push beyond what she can handle? Who's to say he doesn't have to hold her back?

I think that for most people here, the way that Hall [mis]handled his own training means that he has lost the benefit of the doubt.

Ryan is a world class athlete that I trust to know a thing or two about proper training. It seems like a lot but Hall said in the post that she's already faster than he was in 8th grade. She must be fairly developed as a runner. This training looks similar to what one could expect in high school. Short/fast workouts, easy runs, and a long run. Nothing seems too over the top. He's not making her time trial each day or run 100 mile weeks. I think it looks fine. Is it typical? Probably not but she must be able to handle it.

NERunner053 wrote:

Ryan is a world class athlete that I trust to know a thing or two about proper training. It seems like a lot but Hall said in the post that she's already faster than he was in 8th grade. She must be fairly developed as a runner. This training looks similar to what one could expect in high school. Short/fast workouts, easy runs, and a long run. Nothing seems too over the top. He's not making her time trial each day or run 100 mile weeks. I think it looks fine. Is it typical? Probably not but she must be able to handle it.

He doesn't know what sprinting is, surpises me.

Stress fractures are always fun

Mizuno fanboy wrote:

Has it occured to you that Hall knows (and everyone here ignores) how she's responding to that training every single day? What makes you think he'll force his own daughter to push beyond what she can handle? Who's to say he doesn't have to hold her back?

This is exactly what's said whenever a parent/coach starts preparing their kid for the Olympics before they enter high school.

Talk is cheap wrote:

Strava or it didn't happen.

Strava wasn't around in 1982. Sorry.

There are so many things wrong with this.

1) Let a 13 year old be a 13 year old. Training should not be more important than having fun with friends.

2) He has some kind of ego to post this kind of stuff about his kid (and himself) - not good

3) He looks like a crazy parent coach - it rarely works

4) Training wise- way too much volume for a 13 year old. Probably better if she played soccer

5) How many freaking times do we need to see crazy parents and coaches of young girls - Salazar/Cain, Ephraimson, Grace Ping...........

6) When you are 13 to goal should be just enough "training" to a) find passion for the sport, b) learn a bit, c) allow for future development, d) finish races without the expectation to win every time out there or set records.

It's great that his daughter may enjoy running and may be pretty good. Do basic nurturing over time. No need for quick release fertilizer.

An hour of cardio activity 6 days a week ( and a little more on the long run) is freaking everybody out?

We need to get those Hall kids on a couch with some videa games, Dew and Cheezy Poofs. Call child protective services or something. This is 'Merica we can't have kids trying to achieve their potential!

Seriously though, I think it is douchey to post it, and too structured. I take my kids running less often than they would like, but when they have their way it is about an hour 4 times a week. When club track season starts they get structure and even more time 4 days a week.

What if Hall posted "kids have been at basketball/soccer/whatever practice for 90 minutes and now we are hitting the pool"? Still excessive?

We get regular threads about everyone being fat but even the lets run commentariat gets the vapors and their draw's in a twist when kids are outside with their HR up. The world is full of under-achieving lazy arsed b-stards that think it is a 'big deal' to run a mile or a 5k. The attitudes in this 'lets run' thread demonstrate why. Look in the mirror lets run, you are part of the problem.

zzzz wrote:

Talk is cheap wrote:

Strava or it didn't happen.

Strava wasn't around in 1982. Sorry.

I'll add that I remember that book that I checked out from the library being called Bicycling Country Roads, Santa Clara County South. It's long out of date and out of print. Couldn't find reference of it in an internet search. Basically, starting when I was 12 or 13, I discovered that I was finally big enough to fit the 10-speed that had been sitting in the garage for years. I fixed it up best I could and was excited to explore new places on my own. The bike was a classy looking Steyr Clubman circa 1970 that I wish I still had. I lived in San Jose, and rode to Morgan Hill/Gilroy, Los Gatos, Saratoga, etc.

Actually as a kid before that, I had always spent an hour or so after school cruising the neighborhood on my crappy kid's bike (jealous of my friends' nice BMX bikes, though everyone always wanted to try mine because it had rear suspension) riding different things (getting skillz) when I didn't have soccer practice. Parents didn't care where we were back then from 1st grade on (walked/biked to school on own), so this was all unsupervised. Being outside for a couple hours a day or so has been a constant for me since I was a kid.

When my friends convinced me to run cross country before my junior year of high school, I went straight to 60+ mpw as a new runner that summer. We had a summer running club that had target goals of 500 or 750 miles, so I decided to go big and run the 9 miles per day to hit 750. It worked out, though it took until the end of summer before I felt like I became a runner. The 9 miles a day as a new runner was easy mentally because I'd done at least that much timewise riding around for the previous 3 years.

If she enjoys it, power to her. I wish her well.

Lotta people lurking on the LRC message boards with better PRs than Ryan Hall. Clearly he knows nothing about coaching from the few weeks of training we can see online.

What you do has no relevance to what he is doing. He is her dad. He wants the best for her. She is obviously more advanced than her peers.

FightFor15 wrote:

Lotta people lurking on the LRC message boards with better PRs than Ryan Hall. Clearly he knows nothing about coaching from the few weeks of training we can see online.

Nobody here is pretending they are faster than Ryan Hall and he was a genetic freak anyway, his running talent has nothing to do with making him a better coach than anyone else knowledgeable about the sport. Do you think Hall was faster or slower than Jack Daniels? How was Bill Belichick's NFL career as an athlete?

I agree that this is outside the norm but I think the volume is fine if the easy stuff is really nice and easy. I was a young hs kid so I was 13 as a freshman and I spent my “easy” runs trying not to get dropped by older, better runners. So I was running waaay too fast on those days and was pretty cooked on hour runs. Typical freshman boy move. That said, I did do a lot of long hikes, bike rides etc. with my dad and friends so I spent countless hours doing active stuff at a much lower intensity. If my runs were closer to that intensity (like 9:xx min. pace with a break or two rather than a 6:xx grind). I obviously could have done a lot more and lived to tell about it. So as long as she’s not chasing mom too much...