angryjohnny - you seem much fitter than 2:40-2:45 IMO
angryjohnny - you seem much fitter than 2:40-2:45 IMO
Gordon - Yes, that's kind of my small concern. I'd essentially be building mileage right into the "race" and then my down week would fall immediately after the race. I was around 70mpw for my 5k build and prior to that was around 95 (with a peak of 117) for my 100 mile build. I don't have to race it but thought it could either be a decent test of fitness to see where I'm at since I DNF'd my 5k due to sickness, or a way to get in a workout without soloing yet another long run.
There's also a 15k the following weekend that I try to run every year and would fall at the end of my scheduled down week. It's not really a good race pace indicator as it's a steep downhill the first few miles before turning into a roller but I would have historic results to gauge against.
Definitely don't want to fall into the trap of racing too much but itching to get out there and do something.
Thinking about it more, if you have the scheduled down week after the race anyway it might not be so bad? I think the trap I fall into is trying to get back to workouts too quickly on the back end after a race, not necessarily doing damage from a race itself. I change my answer to go for it. It could be a good introduction back into the quicker stuff, and will help you set your paces for workouts...if your the specific pace type of trainer instead of the specific effort type.
Jeremy R wrote:
Side question to the more serious runners here... Any of you follow professional distance running? I was just reading a thread here where they were asking about how much a pro runner made. I countered that it's not about the difficulty of the run, but the entertainment value. There's a huge gap of interest between the mid packers and the elites for instance. Most runners I know dont even follow the sport, which is sad, as the largest participatory sport in the world is running. You'd imagine you have a nice audience there. I think the problem is marketing to be honest, but just wondering.
I'm also a huge fan of both the college and pro scene. Even follow the local high school stuff to a certain extent. Back when I had more time I used to do some writing and podcasts for a running blog, but now I do more following than active coverage/analysis.
jewbacca wrote:
Always impressed by your speed, stat. I think it's been 4 years since I cracked 30 for a 200m, and there was probably a 5-6 year gap before that one, too. You look ready for a good mile.
Thank you! I've definitely always been more comfortable with the shorter distance races. I'm equally impressed by the longer marathon workouts you put together. The combination of volume and quality in your weeks is something else!
Gordon - I figure I will go all marathon one day when I get tired of doing halfs etc. It would not be a huge change for sure as I train for a half in much more a marathon way than 10k way. I plan on my peak week this cycle to be 90ish miles.
But you are right my first one will be me getting a wild hair and just jumping in one some day. I am running a 50k on trail in June but I am not taking it terribly serious.
I also would love to give the marathon another shot. I've done two 10+ years ago but had no clue what I was doing training wise. Nevertheless it was a fun experience that I'll never forget and am glad I got them in while I had the time.
I am glad that I waited until my 40s to run my first one. It ruins you for anything else. The mileage itself is addictive, not to mention the mental challenge of laying out and executing a plan that brings you right up to the edge of overtraining, but hopefully not one step farther. On top of all of that, it is awfully hard to go back down the ladder and suffer through hard, extended vo2max blocks multiple times per year once you get used to focusing on volume over intensity. Not ever getting to have a top end time is only a small regret about waiting so long.
I dont do v02 blocks anyways so I am gold!
Thanks everyone. I've been running in the Supernovas on easy days and using the Energy Boost on days that I have been doing on/offs. The reason I asked is because I'm beginning to think the Supernovas are a little clunky. The Energy Boosts I like but I tend to have issues getting them laced right. Energy Boosts have a funky plastic cage were the stripes are that is either to tight or there is a slight heel slip. It seems like the rubber is disappearing at an alarming rate with the Energy Boosts too.
I think you have all talked me into the Bostons. I thought about them before but saw the Adios and started to wonder. Maybe if I get down in the 160's I'll try the Adios.
Thanks
I LOVE V02 blocks. Nothing better than a hammerfest, IMO.
So, I need you guys to help me keep my volume up.
75 miles minimum this week...
With the same race schedule as last year (10k on march 3, 5k march 18, 8k march 25th), it will be interesting to see how more miles/long runs compares to blasting workouts every three days.
Luckily, I've found plenty of willing running partners to go long with me; so I have few excuses.
oplain wrote:
angryjohnny - you seem much fitter than 2:40-2:45 IMO
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I hope you’re right!
Why is there not an energy chew called v02 blox. Great name.
runrincerepeat wrote:
Why is there not an energy chew called v02 blox. Great name.
+1
Smoove wrote:
I am glad that I waited until my 40s to run my first one. It ruins you for anything else. The mileage itself is addictive, not to mention the mental challenge of laying out and executing a plan that brings you right up to the edge of overtraining, but hopefully not one step farther. On top of all of that, it is awfully hard to go back down the ladder and suffer through hard, extended vo2max blocks multiple times per year once you get used to focusing on volume over intensity. Not ever getting to have a top end time is only a small regret about waiting so long.
Yea I agree with you. I know once I do one there's no going back to shorter stuff. I want to hit some lifetime goals with those, then I'll go for the big one.
I decided to chime in as well.
Goal: sub 1:10 half marathon on April 8th, sub 2:30 marathon on April 29th.
History: Got fat last two years, now back into it and would like to get back to 2:20s for the marathon.
Right now: Approaching mid 30s. Recently ran a 32:45 10k race on a hilly loop (300+ ft. total climbs).
M: 4.7 / 9.1
T: 4 x 1600 (5:03) with 800 jog rest. Harder than I would have liked (11.2 total).
W: 12.6 very hilly and tired as ...
T: 4 x short hill sprints at the end of easy jog (9.4 total)
F: 4 mile tempo (5:25) + 3 x 400s 66ish (10 total)
S: 8 / 4
S: 12 mile progression (4 at 6:19, 4 at 6:05, 4 at 5:26) (18.9 total)
9 runs / 88 miles.
Happy running at all!
back in the MF day: very nice. 2:20s is a dang good time
Found this the other day and thought I would post it. He really explains things well.
My man, Magness.
Thanks! With 2:20s I meant 2:2x, sorry for the misunderstanding if you thought 2:20:xx :) I'd be just very happy to finish a strong marathon this spring and if it goes well to take it from there. In the sub 2:30 thread I saw Reed and Smooth and feel like we're in about the same shape right now. And with a couple other guys as fast or even faster here as well, perhaps we motivate each other. Sorry for my bad English. I am from Europe - no mother tongue English ;)
That Magness article is great!
Question for y'all: What do you guys use to track/log your training? I know there are a few Strava folks on here, but I was wondering if anyone used any other sites? I've been using Running2win for a while, and I actually like that a bit better than Strava. That's probably because I'm pretty detail-oriented though and I've found I can put a lot more detail in my logs with their format.
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