So if I think Haiti is a sh*thole, that is a racist point of view?
If I think North Korea is a sh*thole, is that also a racist point of view?
And if I think Russia is a sh*thole, that isn't racist?
Just making sure I understand your point of view OP.
Airbody racist.
DC Runnerman wrote:
So if I think Haiti is a sh*thole, that is a racist point of view?
If I think North Korea is a sh*thole, is that also a racist point of view?
And if I think Russia is a sh*thole, that isn't racist?
Just making sure I understand your point of view OP.
Nope. Read the post at the bottom of page one.
calling a country bad names isnt racist at all. But you are an unpleasant person that should not have any responsibilities. The debate sounds more like a case of american arrogance and nationalism. No reason to interpret racism into everything. Its quiet harmful. Sometimes a person or a country is just a jerk.
you don't get it wrote:
Luv2Run wrote:
I read a few posts.
The original post shared the person's observations (assuming he is being truthful at having been there). It reinforces what has been written in that despite all the money given to Haiti it appears nothing has been done with it. It has been a poor country while the DR (which shares the same island) seems to be doing okay and is a tourist destination.
To me a country qualifies as a sh**hole if it has a government that is so corrupt that people are dying or in such poverty. Haiti seems to qualify along with Somalia. The color of the peoples' skins does not matter.
You completely miss the point, or (more likely) are being cute with words to avoid to racist intent. Calling a country itself s shithole isn't a problem. I've been to Haiti with a church group, to rebuild homes after the earthquake. Yes, it was a shithole in many ways. The problem is saying we don't want any of the people from those countries here, or people from Africa (a continent of 54 countries of widely varying economic situations). The governments in these "shithole" countries may be the problem, but the people are not.
Countless people from these countries come here and lead very productive lives. Some don't. Just like native-born Americans. To not want the people themselves to step foot on American soil IS racist. To lump all these countries together and say their immigrants are not worthy to be here IS racist. To say, "Why are we bringing more people from Haiti? We don't need any more Haitians" IS racist. To say they all have AIDS IS racist. To say Nigerians all live in huts IS racist.
But you already knew all that. You just wanted to parse words to come up with your racist agenda.
And who said "that we don't any of the people from those countries here, or people from Africa?"
that joke isn't funny wrote:
And who said "that we don't any of the people from those countries here, or people from Africa?"
I did!
Donald J. Cheeto wrote:
that joke isn't funny wrote:
And who said "that we don't any of the people from those countries here, or people from Africa?"
I did!
Right, An unknown person on the internet said it and now everyone thinks Trump is a huuuge racist. The word racist is so over-used these days it is almost meaningless.
For years I've heard the Left, for all intents and purposes, call the Midwest a sh*thole. They use different words (hickville, redneck, flyover states, etc) but the intent is the same: attempt to demean ordinary, red blooded, white Americans.
Why is it an issue if different words with the same intent are used for foreign countries? Why is it different when it's closer to the reality of the situation (Haiti = sh*thole, Nebraska = eh, not that bad)?
Progressive liberals aren't concerned about reality. This should be incredible disconcerting for anyone who values our society and culture.
Racism in the US is decreasing on community levels. The US is among the most racially open and accepting countries in the world. Yes racial problems remain, but there really aren't any countries with better diversity records.
It is so weird how the media and the extremely vocal social media drones who follow them suddenly got hooked on this ****hole thing. Most people in the US can recall a time when they used the phrase term at some point in their life to refer to a country, state, or city of some sort. I get the general sentiment that it can be seen as insensitive or rude, but no one is surprised by Donald saying crass things at this point. Of all the behaviors they could have picked to harp on why was it this? Pretty much every first world country has selective immigration policy so that excuse doesn't really have a lot of merit.
The whole thing just seems so tone death. I'm not sure if it is manufactured out-rage or just some snowballed echo-chamber thing that randomly took hold.
Same thing with people claiming that the 'racists' are 'emboldened' to speak out by Trump. It completely overlooks what is actually happening. With or without Trump if a national conversation had started about whether or not Haiti was a ****hole millions of people would be saying that it was and there was nothing immoral about identifying it as such. No one was every afraid to say things on Twitter. The only thing that changed is it became a political platform.
Moo Goo wrote:
There is nothing racist in calling a shithole a shithole.
Letsrun.com is a shithole.
From the Wikipedia page about Haiti:
Health[edit]
Main article: Health in Haiti
In the past, children's vaccination rates have been low – as of 2012, 60% of the children in Haiti under the age of 10 were vaccinated,[308][309] compared to rates of childhood vaccination in other countries in the 93–95% range.[310] Recently there have been mass vaccination campaigns claiming to vaccinate as many as 91% of a target population against specific diseases (measles and rubella in this case).[311] Most people have no transportation or access to Haitian hospitals.[312]
The World Health Organization cites diarrheal diseases, HIV/AIDS, meningitis, and respiratory infections as common causes of death in Haiti.[313] Ninety percent of Haiti's children suffer from waterborne diseases and intestinal parasites.[314] HIV infection is found in 1.71% of Haiti's population (est. 2015).[315] The incidence of tuberculosis (TB) in Haiti is more than ten times as high as in the rest of Latin America.[316] Approximately 30,000 Haitians fall ill with malaria each year.[317]
Most people living in Haiti are at high risk for major infectious diseases. Food or water-borne diseases include bacterial and protozoal diarrhea, typhoid fever and hepatitis A and E; common vector-borne diseases are dengue fever and malaria; water-contact diseases include leptospirosis. Roughly 75% of Haitian households lack running water. Unsafe water, along with inadequate housing and unsanitary living conditions, contributes to the high incidence of infectious diseases. There is a chronic shortage of health care personnel and hospitals lack resources, a situation that became readily apparent after the January 2010 earthquake.[318] The infant mortality rate in Haiti in 2013 was 55 deaths per 1,000 live births, compared to a rate of 6 per 1,000 in other countries.[319]
Okay then... wrote:
Moo Goo wrote:
There is nothing racist in calling a shithole a shithole.
Letsrun.com is a shithole.
Not racist.
DiscoGary wrote:
A final solution is needed to deal with this menace...
I did Nazi that coming.
Okay then... wrote:
Moo Goo wrote:
There is nothing racist in calling a shithole a shithole.
Letsrun.com is a shithole.
Sexism, racism and homophobia. Good times on LR.
I made it so this thread can't be deleted by a normal moderator. But if you have a post that you think is racist, report it to us.
I don't have a problem with people discussing whether Haiti is a sh**hole. I must say I did a doubletakewhen I realized someone had started a thread saying Haiti was a sh**hole in 2011. The joke is everything hits the forums before it hits the mainstream news but that's taking it to another leve.
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3870884
Also, people just calling each other "racist" doesn't do anything for me. The term is lobbed around all the time now. Be more specific about which posts you don't like. I'm fine with someone saying Haiti is a s*** and the Domincan Republic isn't. Yes we deleted some racists posts in that thread. That doesn't make letsrun.com racist, it makes us part of society where there is racism.
I think a lot of times it's better to pick apart someone who is racist rather than to just silence them or just saying "You're racist, no debate needed". But report stuff to us and we'll likely remove it.
wejo wrote:
I made it so this thread can't be deleted by a normal moderator. But if you have a post that you think is racist, report it to us.
I don't have a problem with people discussing whether Haiti is a sh**hole. I must say I did a doubletakewhen I realized someone had started a thread saying Haiti was a sh**hole in 2011. The joke is everything hits the forums before it hits the mainstream news but that's taking it to another leve.
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3870884Also, people just calling each other "racist" doesn't do anything for me. The term is lobbed around all the time now. Be more specific about which posts you don't like. I'm fine with someone saying Haiti is a s*** and the Domincan Republic isn't. Yes we deleted some racists posts in that thread. That doesn't make letsrun.com racist, it makes us part of society where there is racism.
I think a lot of times it's better to pick apart someone who is racist rather than to just silence them or just saying "You're racist, no debate needed". But report stuff to us and we'll likely remove it.
I'm hoping you don't need to be told that your refusal to condemn others who have been unfairly called racists by our SJW friends means is all that it takes to label you a racist.
Hey Wejo, can you cut the crap and let us write sh*t???? I mean if the President uses it, how come we can't?
I bolded the quote from Gary below, because it struck a nerve with me. I am an American because some of my great-grandparents, on both my father and my mother's side, came to the USA because of Antisemitism in Europe in the early 1900s. Yep, they were Jews. They emigrated, worked hard, started families, and became productive members of society. The countries they left, Germany, Poland and France, ended up part of the Final Solution of a madman. Gary, surely you aren't advocating death to all of the people on the Left?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution
DiscoGary wrote:
it's insane wrote:
There's seriously too many of them here. They swarm in like bees with their excuses for Trumps obvious racist behavior, which in turn makes it okay for them to openly be like this. Safety in numbers.
... and at some point every attempt to push back against the Big Lie is greeted with more accusations of racism even where there isn't any, so defense against the accusations can never get through, and the targets of demonization are dehumanized and seen as unworthy of participating in public discourse. The cultural poison must be stopped.
A final solution is needed to deal with this menace...
Balding Eagle wrote:
Hey Wejo, can you cut the crap and let us write sh*t???? I mean if the President uses it, how come we can't?
Why, will typing shit make you feel like your point is better made? Then type shit.
This place reached a real turning point over the past 24 hours. There has always been the racists, but the recent Haiti threads have really hit home on how many and how serious they are. I sort of thought the racist stuff was kind of ill-thought out jokes in bad taste, but the people weren't really racist. Man was I wrong.
These boards have a LOT of serious, klan-type racists who are dyed-in-the-wool haters of non-white people on an insane level. I would guess that (based on the threads) there are at least 20-30 regulars on LRC that would actually find it awesome, exciting, righteous, and fun to lynch a black person, and would absolutely do it if they knew they could get away with it.
I am an American because wrote:
I bolded the quote from Gary below, because it struck a nerve with me. I am an American because some of my great-grandparents, on both my father and my mother's side, came to the USA because of Antisemitism in Europe in the early 1900s. Yep, they were Jews. They emigrated, worked hard, started families, and became productive members of society. The countries they left, Germany, Poland and France, ended up part of the Final Solution of a madman. Gary, surely you aren't advocating death to all of the people on the Left?
He's satirizing the left's "final solution," not advocating for it.