Honolulu has some hills, no rabbits, warmer weather and not many pros.
Chicago is flat with good weather and much deeper field and more prize money.
Yet the men ran 2:08 today.
Obviously I wouldn't expect this to be a common occurrence but do you think the fact the winners doubled their pay by running so fast today had something to do with it?
Chicago prize money. I'm not sure if Chicago has time bonuses anymore.
1st — $100,000
2nd — $50,000
3rd — $25,000
4th — $15,000
5th — $10,000
How was Honolulu faster than Chicago?
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...maybe because the air was dry and the guy is hot right now 2:05:09pb. Men? one man ran 2;08'26, three under 2;11...the rest of the field was not that impressive.
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Great question.
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Chicago had the Nike influence. Many pro athletes were declined a chance to compete. Nike did not want any serious competitors for Galen. Most of the elite field had 2-3 year old pb's.
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Yes,
Cumulative time incentives:
Men Women
Sub 2:13:00 $1,000.00 Sub 2:33:00 $1,000.00
Sub 2:12:00 $2,000.00 Sub 2:32:00 $2,000.00
Sub 2:11:00 $3,000.00 Sub 2:31:00 $3,000.00
Sub 2:10:00 $4,000.00 Sub 2:29:00 $4,000.00
Sub 2:09:00 $5,000.00 Sub 2:28:00 $5,000.00
Plus an extra $10,000 for a course record (2:09:38)
So Cherono made $25,000 + $15,000 + $10,000 = $50,000
https://www.honolulumarathon.org/key-information/awards-divisions -
Wejo, you answered your own questions. Time bonuses at Honolulu. Chicago prize money is for PLACE, not TIME. People are gonna run strategically when running for place.
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At both races wrote:
Chicago had the Nike influence. Many pro athletes were declined a chance to compete. Nike did not want any serious competitors for Galen. Most of the elite field had 2-3 year old pb's.
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Hungrier talent in Honolulu.
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Any testing in Honolulu?
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I know right?
Having been a guest many times of the Honolulu Marathon, I am able to say this.
There never has been expectations placed upon the invited athletes, other than to bask in the joy of enjoying yourself. Really. Hawaii is a more than a destination, more than a race...it's , hmmm, heaven on earth. Everybody is laid back, calm, relaxed and so happy you are there. Every person feels special. I know my family and I did.
How could you not run beyond your wildest expectations? -
patti wrote:
I know right?
Having been a guest many times of the Honolulu Marathon, I am able to say this.
There never has been expectations placed upon the invited athletes, other than to bask in the joy of enjoying yourself. Really. Hawaii is a more than a destination, more than a race...it's , hmmm, heaven on earth. Everybody is laid back, calm, relaxed and so happy you are there. Every person feels special. I know my family and I did.
How could you not run beyond your wildest expectations?
Sounds right, but these Kenyans run where they're told to run. It doesn't matter where they are.
They also injected with whatever they're told they need. Often without risk. -
YES
trollism wrote:
Any testing in Honolulu? -
More alphas in Chicago prevents people from going balls out.
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slowerthanu wrote:
Hungrier talent in Honolulu.
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The heat and humidity 88.88% of the time doesn’t give a sh!t about how hungry the talent is... This race will add at least 2-10+ minutes to your best efforts or pb... Today was just a good day for the most part. Until last year the CR resided at 2:11 set by a 2:07 type. -
I believe that Chicago should have pacers because it is a fast course. I don't enjoy watching 2:04-6 caliber guys running 2:09+. Additionally Chicago was watered down this year. Two big names who haven't been running well for a couple years dropped out. Tadese? Aside from his aided 2:06:50, he is a 2:10-2:12ish guy. The women did it right.
Don't know much about Honolulu other than that is is sometimes highly motivated up and comers, rather than established top tier. -
Jzs wrote:
YES
trollism wrote:
Any testing in Honolulu?
Any meaningful testing at Honolulu? -
Easy to answer: At Chicago they guy that won is naturally "slow" for the distance as compared to a guy at Honolulu who is naturally faster at the same distance.
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time bonuses are good wrote:
Yes,
Cumulative time incentives:
Men Women
Sub 2:13:00 $1,000.00 Sub 2:33:00 $1,000.00
Sub 2:12:00 $2,000.00 Sub 2:32:00 $2,000.00
Sub 2:11:00 $3,000.00 Sub 2:31:00 $3,000.00
Sub 2:10:00 $4,000.00 Sub 2:29:00 $4,000.00
Sub 2:09:00 $5,000.00 Sub 2:28:00 $5,000.00
Plus an extra $10,000 for a course record (2:09:38)
So Cherono made $25,000 + $15,000 + $10,000 = $50,000
https://www.honolulumarathon.org/key-information/awards-divisions
You sure it wasn’t $40k?
$25k FTW + $5k sub 2:09 +$10k record -
Honolulu DOES use pacemakers in the men’s race...
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I guess the winner of the Chicago Marathon wasn’t that good
