How was Honolulu faster than Chicago?

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  • wejo
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    2 years ago 12/10/2017 3:45pm CST
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    Honolulu has some hills, no rabbits, warmer weather and not many pros.

    Chicago is flat with good weather and much deeper field and more prize money.

    Yet the men ran 2:08 today.

    Obviously I wouldn't expect this to be a common occurrence but do you think the fact the winners doubled their pay by running so fast today had something to do with it?

    Chicago prize money. I'm not sure if Chicago has time bonuses anymore.
    1st — $100,000
    2nd — $50,000
    3rd — $25,000
    4th — $15,000
    5th — $10,000
  • Jzs
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    2 years ago 12/10/2017 3:56pm CST
    re: wejo
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    ...maybe because the air was dry and the guy is hot right now 2:05:09pb. Men? one man ran 2;08'26, three under 2;11...the rest of the field was not that impressive.
  • cappy
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    2 years ago 12/10/2017 4:02pm CST
    re: wejo
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    Great question.
    Been wondering that myself.
  • At both races
    2 years ago 12/10/2017 4:09pm CST
    re: wejo
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    Chicago had the Nike influence. Many pro athletes were declined a chance to compete. Nike did not want any serious competitors for Galen. Most of the elite field had 2-3 year old pb's.
  • time bonuses are good
    2 years ago 12/10/2017 4:33pm CST
    re: wejo
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    Yes,

    Cumulative time incentives:

    Men Women
    Sub 2:13:00 $1,000.00 Sub 2:33:00 $1,000.00
    Sub 2:12:00 $2,000.00 Sub 2:32:00 $2,000.00
    Sub 2:11:00 $3,000.00 Sub 2:31:00 $3,000.00
    Sub 2:10:00 $4,000.00 Sub 2:29:00 $4,000.00
    Sub 2:09:00 $5,000.00 Sub 2:28:00 $5,000.00

    Plus an extra $10,000 for a course record (2:09:38)

    So Cherono made $25,000 + $15,000 + $10,000 = $50,000

    https://www.honolulumarathon.org/key-information/awards-divisions
  • Les
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    2 years ago 12/10/2017 4:48pm CST
    re: wejo
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    Wejo, you answered your own questions. Time bonuses at Honolulu. Chicago prize money is for PLACE, not TIME. People are gonna run strategically when running for place.
  • bang-on
    2 years ago 12/10/2017 4:51pm CST
    re: At both races
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    At both races wrote:

    Chicago had the Nike influence. Many pro athletes were declined a chance to compete. Nike did not want any serious competitors for Galen. Most of the elite field had 2-3 year old pb's.


    +1
  • slowerthanu
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    2 years ago 12/10/2017 5:25pm CST
    re: wejo
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    Hungrier talent in Honolulu.
  • trollism
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    2 years ago 12/10/2017 5:27pm CST
    re: slowerthanu
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    Any testing in Honolulu?
  • patti
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    2 years ago 12/10/2017 5:36pm CST
    re: wejo
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    I know right?

    Having been a guest many times of the Honolulu Marathon, I am able to say this.

    There never has been expectations placed upon the invited athletes, other than to bask in the joy of enjoying yourself. Really. Hawaii is a more than a destination, more than a race...it's , hmmm, heaven on earth. Everybody is laid back, calm, relaxed and so happy you are there. Every person feels special. I know my family and I did.
    How could you not run beyond your wildest expectations?
  • trollism
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    2 years ago 12/10/2017 5:41pm CST
    re: patti
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    patti wrote:

    I know right?

    Having been a guest many times of the Honolulu Marathon, I am able to say this.

    There never has been expectations placed upon the invited athletes, other than to bask in the joy of enjoying yourself. Really. Hawaii is a more than a destination, more than a race...it's , hmmm, heaven on earth. Everybody is laid back, calm, relaxed and so happy you are there. Every person feels special. I know my family and I did.
    How could you not run beyond your wildest expectations?


    Sounds right, but these Kenyans run where they're told to run. It doesn't matter where they are.

    They also injected with whatever they're told they need. Often without risk.
  • Jzs
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    2 years ago 12/10/2017 6:16pm CST
    re: trollism
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    YES
    trollism wrote:

    Any testing in Honolulu?
  • Libertarian vegan
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    2 years ago 12/10/2017 6:17pm CST
    re: wejo
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    More alphas in Chicago prevents people from going balls out.
  • Jzs
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    2 years ago 12/10/2017 6:21pm CST
    re: slowerthanu
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    slowerthanu wrote:

    Hungrier talent in Honolulu.


    ——- ——//

    The heat and humidity 88.88% of the time doesn’t give a sh!t about how hungry the talent is... This race will add at least 2-10+ minutes to your best efforts or pb... Today was just a good day for the most part. Until last year the CR resided at 2:11 set by a 2:07 type.
  • *stipe
    2 years ago 12/10/2017 6:21pm CST
    re: wejo
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    I believe that Chicago should have pacers because it is a fast course. I don't enjoy watching 2:04-6 caliber guys running 2:09+. Additionally Chicago was watered down this year. Two big names who haven't been running well for a couple years dropped out. Tadese? Aside from his aided 2:06:50, he is a 2:10-2:12ish guy. The women did it right.
    Don't know much about Honolulu other than that is is sometimes highly motivated up and comers, rather than established top tier.
  • trollism
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    2 years ago 12/10/2017 6:25pm CST
    re: Jzs
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    Jzs wrote:

    YES
    trollism wrote:

    Any testing in Honolulu?


    Any meaningful testing at Honolulu?
  • doctorj
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    2 years ago 12/10/2017 11:00pm CST
    re: wejo
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    Easy to answer: At Chicago they guy that won is naturally "slow" for the distance as compared to a guy at Honolulu who is naturally faster at the same distance.
  • Subway Surfers Addiction
    2 years ago 12/10/2017 11:30pm CST
    re: time bonuses are good
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    time bonuses are good wrote:

    Yes,

    Cumulative time incentives:

    Men Women
    Sub 2:13:00 $1,000.00 Sub 2:33:00 $1,000.00
    Sub 2:12:00 $2,000.00 Sub 2:32:00 $2,000.00
    Sub 2:11:00 $3,000.00 Sub 2:31:00 $3,000.00
    Sub 2:10:00 $4,000.00 Sub 2:29:00 $4,000.00
    Sub 2:09:00 $5,000.00 Sub 2:28:00 $5,000.00

    Plus an extra $10,000 for a course record (2:09:38)

    So Cherono made $25,000 + $15,000 + $10,000 = $50,000

    https://www.honolulumarathon.org/key-information/awards-divisions


    You sure it wasn’t $40k?

    $25k FTW + $5k sub 2:09 +$10k record
  • d9monti
    2 years ago 12/11/2017 12:59am CST
    re: wejo
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    Honolulu DOES use pacemakers in the men’s race...
  • running commenter
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    2 years ago 12/11/2017 2:14am CST
    re: wejo
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    I guess the winner of the Chicago Marathon wasn’t that good