Has anyone else had experiences with a weak team or a coach that doesn't know what they're doing?

Art Vandelay the fake one wrote:

RunnerGirlXC2 wrote:

The track workouts are reasonable but the fact that we don't really do any thing except 20-30 minute runs in between is not.

The week the season begins we do 8-12x400. Then we build up. (5x800). (4-5x1000). (2x800, 1x1600). (6x800). (12x400). (6x800) (5x1000) (3-4x1600). There will probably be about 2-3 weeks where we don't do a workout and just have meets. We start with 400s then build up to 1600s then break it down to 400s, and build it back up.

We did tempos every 3 weeks.

Our tempos go like... 5 miles (First mile: tempo. Second Mile: easy pace. Third mile: Tempo. Fourth Mile: easy pace. Fifth mile: Tempo.)

I already gave you the answer: go run more on your own. Coach doesn't even need to know about it.

Thanks for the feedback

Wutt wrote:

Luv2Run wrote:

One thing I have learned on the message boards in all my years is that no coach other than Lydiard ever knew what he/she was doing.

I think Salazar knows

Sometimes

Okay, but wrote:

Okay, but I'd still recommend you talking to him and asking for his help.

Run your normal runs with your team in order to please your coach and the rest of your team. Ask the neighbor coach to suggest some additional runs or workouts you can do in the morning/evening/weekends.

If the neighbor coach thinks you should skip your current coach's absurd workouts, then do it. Your future depends on it.

I emailed the coach. He replied with

"There are many apps out there that can help you with training. Without coaches approval, I do not discuss traing methods with other runners"

Anotherrrrrrrr

RunnerGirlXC2 wrote:

Art Vandelay the fake one wrote:

I already gave you the answer: go run more on your own. Coach doesn't even need to know about it.

Thanks for the feedback

I agree with Art. Just go run more on your own. This isn't rocket science.

If he is telling you to run by feel....

why don't you feel like running faster?

As it looks like he is coaching for the team as a whole(and you say the other girls area bunch of slugs).

take what he is giving you(30 minute run) and bust out some killer workouts.

Throw in some fartlek, varied pace workouts.

Stop every half mile and do 10 burpees, and then keep going.

Make YOUR runs 9 min/mile or 7 min/mile instead of the 11 min pace.

Don't blame everything on the coach.

Alternate Reality wrote:

If he is telling you to run by feel....

why don't you feel like running faster?

As it looks like he is coaching for the team as a whole(and you say the other girls area bunch of slugs).

take what he is giving you(30 minute run) and bust out some killer workouts.

Throw in some fartlek, varied pace workouts.

Stop every half mile and do 10 burpees, and then keep going.

Make YOUR runs 9 min/mile or 7 min/mile instead of the 11 min pace.

Don't blame everything on the coach.

Thanks.

The otger girls slack off on the 30 minute runs. Only 2 girls can run in the 20-21 range. The others run in 24-26

Speaking from experience, I was entirely focused in high school, and had no time for kids who goofed off.

A couple of the better ones quite.

Now decades later, I wish that I'd have been more encouraging to them, as they probably would have stayed on the team.

I could have been a role model to the others.

Granted I was going through a really tough time especially from a terribly abusive dad.

However now in my 70s, which I had the good parts to do over and to more determine my own destiny.

I think working with the potential of the others on our team could have helped me to be a better person, & runner as well.

RunnerGirlXC2 wrote:

Okay, but wrote:

Okay, but I'd still recommend you talking to him and asking for his help.

Run your normal runs with your team in order to please your coach and the rest of your team. Ask the neighbor coach to suggest some additional runs or workouts you can do in the morning/evening/weekends.

If the neighbor coach thinks you should skip your current coach's absurd workouts, then do it. Your future depends on it.

I emailed the coach. He replied with

"There are many apps out there that can help you with training. Without coaches approval, I do not discuss traing methods with other runners"

What the Fock, WHO DOES THAT?

Blows an athlete off just because they need another coaches approval

He doesn't want to make it seem like he's poaching an athlete. Especially if she's their top athlete lol

Lol ur 14 wrote:

He doesn't want to make it seem like he's poaching an athlete. Especially if she's their top athlete lol

Okay. I'm not sure who that previous responder was or what they were thinking.

I am not the top runner. I just want to put in work over the winter. I didn't know what i was doing over the summer. Now i have somewhat of an idea.

I agree with you.

You gotta get Jama to hold your stop watch.

My high school coach and program was not great, which is why I ran with a club team during the off seasons (winter and summer). My first college coach was good, my second was not all that great and my third one was awesome. You can't control your coach, but you can control yourself. In spite of the fact that there is a team score, cross country is mostly an individual sport. If your teammates lack interest, that is mostly outside of your control. Try to lead them if you can, but make sure you are doing what you need to do to be successful.

If ur not the top athlete, y don't u run with the top runner? She'll pull u. 2 da top

Art Vandelay the fake one wrote:

Yes. This topic comes up all the time.

The answer is to run more on your own. I ran in high school a hundred years ago, and got in the majority of my mileage at home on my own. I'd do an extra 5 to 6 miles on my own every night. My coach was a low mileage advocate, but I figured what coach didn't know wouldn't hurt him.

Yep, this is the answer. Just put in an easy 3-6 miles every weekday morning (or at least 3 days a week), maybe throw in some strides as well, and you'll be good to go. Nobody needs to know but you.

You actually have it good. You should just do what she suggests and add a little extra here and there. Most of the time high school runners have the opposite problem - a coach who works them to death and burns them out and they get injured. You can't expect a typical high school coach to know much about training. The fact your coach is being conservative by staying on the easy side of things is good. Don't worry about the other girls "not wanting it" - if you want it you can work on improving yourself by yourself.

Jimmy snapps wrote:

RunnerGirlXC2 wrote:

I emailed the coach. He replied with

"There are many apps out there that can help you with training. Without coaches approval, I do not discuss traing methods with other runners"

What the Fock, WHO DOES THAT?

Blows an athlete off just because they need another coaches approval

You sound like a 12 year old

Kale gram wrote:

Jimmy snapps wrote:

What the Fock, WHO DOES THAT?

Blows an athlete off just because they need another coaches approval

You sound like a 12 year old

Wat