not a gun owner wrote:
Each of the deceased had multiple gunshot wounds. Hmm. Is one bullet not enough to get your point across?
The lib alarm on the wall just went nuts.
not a gun owner wrote:
Each of the deceased had multiple gunshot wounds. Hmm. Is one bullet not enough to get your point across?
The lib alarm on the wall just went nuts.
Are u kidding me?!?! wrote:
not a gun owner wrote:Each of the deceased had multiple gunshot wounds. Hmm. Is one bullet not enough to get your point across?
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If your aim is good, yes.
Note that I said socially liberal.
Liberals and libertarians have overlap when it comes to issues like freedom from search and seizure and the exercise of police powers generally. They also have overlap on things like legalizing drugs.
The bad part? This guy is likely going to go to jail over this. Last year in Colorado Springs there was a case exactly like this except a guy went down into his Basement to find a strange man down there, he shot him more than once and is now serving 20 years. While I agree these people need to be shot, there are laws against it.
zilch wrote:
The bad part? This guy is likely going to go to jail over this. Last year in Colorado Springs there was a case exactly like this except a guy went down into his Basement to find a strange man down there, he shot him more than once and is now serving 20 years. While I agree these people need to be shot, there are laws against it.
If you shoot strangers in your house at night that have broken in, there is a 99% chance in Colorado,and most normal states, that there will be no charges brought against you by the "state". The specific details of if they were armed or if you shot them in the back or whatever don't mean much given the way the laws are written, thankfully. The law is very much on your side when defending INSIDE your own house. It would have to be a very unusual situation to be charged.
That said, people can sue you in a civil trial for any reason they like.
thejeff wrote:
not a gun owner wrote:I am not a gun owner. I've never shot someone and never been robbed so don't know what it's like. I feel like one could get in trouble shooting to kill versus shooting to protect. If I robbed a house I sure as hel! would expect to be shot too so it's not that I'm saying it was wrong, but what will the courts say?
I asked a buddy of mine (he works security for high ranking government officials) this exact question. He had a two part response: 1. If he's dead, there is only one side to the story, and 2. A dead guy can't come after your family.
Sounds callous, but I have been robbed, and I wouldn't heaitate.
Your friend works in security NOT forensics which will always have its own story to tell.
Not a racist wrote:
thejeff wrote:I asked a buddy of mine (he works security for high ranking government officials) this exact question. He had a two part response: 1. If he's dead, there is only one side to the story, and 2. A dead guy can't come after your family.
Sounds callous, but I have been robbed, and I wouldn't heaitate.
Your friend works in security NOT forensics which will always have its own story to tell.
If you are INSIDE your own house the law is heavily, intentionally and very specifically on your side in most states. Forensics won't mean anything and the state will have no motivation to bring charges against you unless it was a very unusual situation, like if they suspect you have set up a murder to look like a home invasion, or some other kind of criminal act, domestic violence, etc.
Military service is the perfect cure for liberalism. Some people live in small little bubbles with little awareness of the reality of the cold, dark world we live in.
They don't understand why you're not a winner just because you show up. There are no participation trophies in the military. You either win or lose and there isn't any pride in losing.
Seriously, they need a dose of active duty life to flush out their naivety.
markschultz25 wrote:
Military service is the perfect cure for liberalism. Some people live in small little bubbles with little awareness of the reality of the cold, dark world we live in.
They don't understand why you're not a winner just because you show up. There are no participation trophies in the military. You either win or lose and there isn't any pride in losing.
Seriously, they need a dose of active duty life to flush out their naivety.
Just like our president. His stellar military career has enabled him to question John McCain's.
John utah wrote:
If you shoot strangers in your house at night that have broken in, there is a 99% chance in Colorado,and most normal states, that there will be no charges brought against you by the "state". The specific details of if they were armed or if you shot them in the back or whatever don't mean much given the way the laws are written, thankfully. The law is very much on your side when defending INSIDE your own house. It would have to be a very unusual situation to be charged.
Illinois has a Castle Doctrine, with no requirement for you to retreat and they can't sue. So generally you're ok legally if someone breaks into your place (they have to break the law first) and then you have to meet that criteria of "fearing for your/your family's life" and more importantly you can't instigate this. Some states have a "duty to retreat" so you have to run away.
In my stupid state, I was told by my NRA instructor that IF someone breaks into your house, call 911 and keep the line open so they record everything. Legally it's going to help if you say to them "I have a gun and will shoot you if you break down this door!" or if they shout "I'm going to kill you and rape you" because the cops will have evidence that you were in fear for your life. Conversely if the robber says "I give up! Don't shoot!" and they drop their weapon it might be legally sticky if you shoot them.
In this example, gossip from police blogs are saying that this wasn't as clean as it should be, and that there's evidence that they were lured into the house and staged the bodies after they were shot. That's a no-no.
Really simple folks. If in that situation my family is much more important to me then some useless thug. I'd take the shot if it's reasonable. I would warn the individual first to leave and if they came closer to my family I would take the shot. Unfortunately some states like DC are very pro criminal. In DC I would take the shot if it meant sitting in jail to protect my family.
Lololololololol wrote:
markschultz25 wrote:Military service is the perfect cure for liberalism. Some people live in small little bubbles with little awareness of the reality of the cold, dark world we live in.
They don't understand why you're not a winner just because you show up. There are no participation trophies in the military. You either win or lose and there isn't any pride in losing.
Seriously, they need a dose of active duty life to flush out their naivety.
Just like our president. His stellar military career has enabled him to question John McCain's.
You're talking about Obama, right?
Depends man, I'm far from a gun expert but some if not most shotguns work with pellets/dispersion.
So it's hard to tell how many shots were fired in case he used a shotgun.
But it doesn't matter, he did whatever he took to ensure they wouldn't come back, good for him, not so good for the victims.
John utah wrote:
Smoove wrote:I'm with these guys. I'm. I'm no tough guy. I'm socially liberal/libertarian. My home defense plan is centered on my wife calling 911 whil elicked in my master suite bathroom while I lay by the top of my stairs with my Mossberg and let home invaders take whatever they may find downstairs before the police come. Only if they come up the stairs would I take any action. But if I take action, my plan, if I have the fortitude to enact it, includes fully neutralizing the threat. That doesn't mean I intend to kill, but a mobile assailant is a threat and I, like anyone else is such a situation, don't don't see aiming for someone's knee to imobilize them, etc. as a viable option.
Sad to see a loss of life in any event.
"Liberal /libertarian " ???
Tell me where those philosophies intersect? Libertarianism is the opposite end of the spectrum as big govt and high taxes.
Liberals aren't all about big government and high taxes, you trumptard. Liberalism is about being politically progressive. You can be a libertarian Democrat or a left-Libertarian.
dumbsh!t wrote:
Liberals aren't all about big government and high taxes
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
The spread on buckshot with a 12 gauge across my house would be about eh size of a salad plate. Not huge. But long barreled weapons are much more accurate than handguns and if you are set up in relatively close quarters - say at the top of a staircase - it would be extraordinarily hard to miss someone coming up that relatively narrow staircase with a 12 gauge.
Lololololololol wrote:
markschultz25 wrote:Military service is the perfect cure for liberalism. Some people live in small little bubbles with little awareness of the reality of the cold, dark world we live in.
They don't understand why you're not a winner just because you show up. There are no participation trophies in the military. You either win or lose and there isn't any pride in losing.
Seriously, they need a dose of active duty life to flush out their naivety.
Just like our president. His stellar military career has enabled him to question John McCain's.
"I would have been the greatest soldier you've ever seen. I know more than the generals. I would have defeated those communists in Vietnam on my own. Trust me. I'm telling you, the other day I was out hunting with my good friend Kevin Plank, and I hit a ginormous buck right between the eyes. It was this big. *insert extremely energetic hand motions resembling fingering an elephant* It was that big. Not to brag, but it was a great shot, a really great shot."
zilch wrote:
The bad part? This guy is likely going to go to jail over this. Last year in Colorado Springs there was a case exactly like this except a guy went down into his Basement to find a strange man down there, he shot him more than once and is now serving 20 years. While I agree these people need to be shot, there are laws against it.
Given CO's Make my Day law, I would have to guess the guy was probably sleeping when he was pumped full of lead. Or maybe had been handicuffed and then executed. At a certain point you can't just shoot people that are in your house. Where exactly that line is though is up in the air.
Here though is another example of someone protecting their family:
https://thinkprogress.org/father-shoots-and-kills-14-year-old-daughter-saying-he-mistook-her-for-burglar-a4bf5e6d3290/. Yet another thug off the streets?
Frankly all these laws are crap and depend a ton on interpertation. Can you shoot if you are being attacked by 4 men? Not if you are black (https://r3sist.com/2017/06/stand-your-ground-defense-denied-for-black-man-in-georgia/). What about if your a drug dealer and your customers are driving away(http://www.houmatoday.com/news/20120223/case-closed-on-teens-shooting-death)? AOK. Or what about if the guy is running away? Are you allowed to pursue them and kill them? (http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2012/03/judge_cites_stand_your_ground.php) Yep.
Or everyones favorite (although stand my ground was not used) Trayvon Martin versus Zimmerman. If you are being stalked by a guy with a gun are you allowed to defend yourself? If you are stalking a guy and he defends himself, are you allowed to shoot?
People like to say that a well armed society is a polite one. But that is just a crazy SF quote. Reality is it make no difference (or encourages violence. The data is far from perfect). A rational person might say it isn't worth dying over it. But people aren't rational. There will be a subset that goes I can do something stupid but it is ok cause I have a gun and can take care of myself. When 2 of those people meet, we go from a fist fight to a gun fight.
John utah wrote:
Lololololololol wrote:Just like our president. His stellar military career has enabled him to question John McCain's.
You're talking about Obama, right?
hahahahahaha hell no trumptard
John utah wrote:
Lololololololol wrote:Just like our president. His stellar military career has enabled him to question John McCain's.
You're talking about Obama, right?