Almost forget Steeple as well
Almost forget Steeple as well
Uncle Bee wrote:
Kerr is Scottish, not English.
Thanks for the correction. Maybe I should have just said British, since GB is the international team.
Fisher is a natural born US citizen developed in the US track (and soccer) system, who has represented the USA internationally, who happened to be born in Canada. Not a foreigner.
HardLoper wrote:
Fisher is a natural born US citizen developed in the US track (and soccer) system, who has represented the USA internationally, who happened to be born in Canada. Not a foreigner.
Right, people here are either really stupid(they are) or just trying to troll.
HardLoper wrote:
Fisher is a natural born US citizen developed in the US track (and soccer) system, who has represented the USA internationally, who happened to be born in Canada. Not a foreigner.
+1
Fisher has speed and brains. We need more Americans like him.
This kid is an inspiration
Last year wrote:
Americans won the 8 and 15 last year
Also an American has not won the 10000m since 2003, so 2017 was nothing different from ordinary.
Agreed, not winning the 1500m is odd. Americans have won that event every year since 2006 or 2007
In recent past however, Americans have has a tough time with the 800m. In the past 4 NCAAs, Americans have only won once.
Same with the steeplechase, Americans have only won this once in the past 5 NCAAs.
Therefore, last year was an oddity as Americans won the 800, 1500 and steeplechase. I guess that we were expecting that to continue.
However, Fisher winning the 5000m is a rare feat by an American. Most didn't think that he would be able to do it and that we would have had to wait further for this to happen.
The 5000m and 10000m belongs to foreigners.
Hhshshsh wrote:
Last year wrote:Americans won the 8 and 15 last year
Also an American has not won the 10000m since 2003
Ummmm...ever heard of Galen Rupp?
Yes, forgot about Rupp winning both the 5000 and 10000 in 2009
OHfkhckcgkhc wrote:
Nike Marketing Team wrote:...
I also think that other countries send their best here. I mean the xc champ was an olympic runner.
Not sure about that. Have you seen the world XC champs lately. If Kenya, Ethiopia... were sending the US their best, you would not see an American in the top 50 at NCAA XC. Remember, they are limited to 7 runners at world XC. They would have a bunch more in the top 50 at world XC if they could bring 75 guys.
No American's in the top-50...that's a bit of an exaggeration. First off, the NCAA is for student-athletes, the Kenyans you see are usually exceptional students at a prep school and they speak English. The top Kenyans runners are usually not high school graduates, which is why you rarely see their names in the Kenyan Secondary Schools Championships results. When a young Kenyan shows running talent, they usually drop out of school and join a professional training group. Dropping out of school and/or not competing in school competitions also serves the purpose of not being able to have your age approximated. With that, you can compete in World Youth and Junior competitions at almost any age and an agent is more likely sign a really fast 18 year old Kenyan than a really fast 25 year old.
Yes, the Kenyan you see in age group global championships are training along side of pros, with the goal being to get signed by an agent as opposed to going to school. It is not uncommon to see Kenyans in the World Youth meet who are in their mid and late 20s. Running is a lot less about sport in Kenya, it is more about earning money for yourself and your family. When you do see a Kenyan going the U.S. college route, they are usually middle-class by Kenyan standards. A poor Kenyan is not going to spend 4 years in a U.S. college, when their family can barely eat. You are not going to see Ethiopians and most other African nations in U.S. colleges because their school systems are very poor and they don't speak English.
Also, American routinely finish top-50 in WJXC, which is as competitive if not more competitive than NCAA Cross and if we can finish top-50 there why would we not be able to finish top-50 in the NCAA. In terms of the African countries only being able to bring 7 athletes to World Cross; it is rare if ever has the top-7 from any country all finished ahead the first U.S. athlete; how would being able to bring more than 7 make a difference?
With all of that said, if the NCAA had more African athletes, with out a doubt, American athletes would struggle more, but also with out a doubt, we would have an athlete in the top-50. Perhaps USA distance running is better than you think.
HardLoper wrote:
Fisher is a natural born US citizen developed in the US track (and soccer) system, who has represented the USA internationally, who happened to be born in Canada. Not a foreigner.
What is a "natural born US citizen"?
Are there any unnatural(y) born ones?
You used to be a good poster, Dutch boy. You have become an annoying troll in the past two years.
Please go back to your former self.
looked like 5 Eritreans, 6 Kenyans, 6 Ethiopians, and a few Bahrainis ahead of the first U.S. finishers, Dressel at 27 (he was 33rd at NCAA's last fall), Mantz at 29, at world junior xc in 2015.
2011 in Spain, six Kenyans, six Ethiopians, five Ugandans, a few South Africans, ahead of the first U.S. finisher Craig Lutz in 29th.
Probably typical.
eeeffff wrote:
What is a "natural born US citizen"?
Are there any unnatural(y) born ones?
You have become an annoying troll in the past two years.
He was born of an American parent.
Bernie Lagat was born of Kenyan parents, and needed to be naturalized to become an American.
You are a natural born troll.
HardLoper wrote:
Fisher is a natural born US citizen developed in the US track (and soccer) system, who has represented the USA internationally, who happened to be born in Canada. Not a foreigner.
Pretty sure no one called Fisher a foreigner anywhere in this thread, chief.
eeeffff wrote:
HardLoper wrote:Fisher is a natural born US citizen developed in the US track (and soccer) system, who has represented the USA internationally, who happened to be born in Canada. Not a foreigner.
What is a "natural born US citizen"?
Are there any unnatural(y) born ones?
You used to be a good poster, Dutch boy. You have become an annoying troll in the past two years.
Please go back to your former self.
Yes, there are naturalized US citizens and natural-born citizens (born to an American parent or born in the USA). Apology accepted in advance.
HardLoper wrote:
eeeffff wrote:What is a "natural born US citizen"?
Are there any unnatural(y) born ones?
You used to be a good poster, Dutch boy. You have become an annoying troll in the past two years.
Please go back to your former self.
Yes, there are naturalized US citizens and natural-born citizens (born to an American parent or born in the USA). Apology accepted in advance.
If you want to get technical, you are NOT given automatic citizenship by having an American parent or being born in the USA. That's usually the case but not always, plenty of exceptions. Read the Constitution sometime.
eeeffff wrote:
HardLoper wrote:Fisher is a natural born US citizen developed in the US track (and soccer) system, who has represented the USA internationally, who happened to be born in Canada. Not a foreigner.
What is a "natural born US citizen"?
Are there any unnatural(y) born ones?
You used to be a good poster, Dutch boy. You have become an annoying troll in the past two years.
Please go back to your former self.
eeeffff, you are an idiot and the troll.
Give it up, Grant Fisher is a U.S. Citizen, his mother is American and his Dad is Canadian. Because of that, a Fisher is American he happened to be born in Canada and moved to Michigan when he was three. Fairly common for expats and their kids when born in other countries.
If we had more Americans like Fisher, our country would be better off.