Foreigners dominate men's NCAA distance races

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Rory Linkletter

Its over, the US was built on trillions of Federal Reserve debt and somewhat wars ,slavery and stealing. Many countries are now becoming richer, so many people have time to do "sports" for fun or even to live. Thus, we can only expect more and more foreigners becoming better and better

None of the sub 4 HS guys seem to be making a mark. I'm thinking that they are leaving it in HS and are stunning their long term development as a result. This 2017 HS graduates will be a good sample group. None are going Pro. There are about 10 of them that are really top level. But they are really going after each other. Leaving quite a bit in HS. If none make a mark in College, it will certainly indicate something.

Let's go GB.

Lot of talent in this little island nation.

Clayton Murphy had one year of eligibility left. Brazier and he would have went 1-2 in the 8 and he would have taken the mile.

I also think that other countries send their best here. I mean the xc champ was an olympic runner.

Add age differential in some cases or outright age cheating from the African continent. The mid and long distance events you reference are severely impacted by age advantage.

The NCAA needs to limit the number of foreign athletes to 25% of a roster. Some coaches, AD's are taking advantage of the US taxpayer and the generosity of generations past that built the learning institutions that afford their livelihood

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I also think that other countries send their best here. I mean the xc champ was an olympic runner.

Not sure about that. Have you seen the world XC champs lately. If Kenya, Ethiopia... were sending the US their best, you would not see an American in the top 50 at NCAA XC. Remember, they are limited to 7 runners at world XC. They would have a bunch more in the top 50 at world XC if they could bring 75 guys.

Hhshshsh wrote:

None of the sub 4 HS guys seem to be making a mark.

None? One of them just won the NCAA 5000m.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Hhshshsh wrote:

None of the sub 4 HS guys seem to be making a mark.

None? One of them just won the NCAA 5000m.

Yes, correct. Fisher was indeed one of them. I guess that Hunter could have made somewhat of a mark too.

I now changed my mind.

Maybe the next 4 years will be great for the US, with the 2017 crop coming into the College circuit next year and Fisher still being around for 2 or 3 years.

We will see next year I guess.

Can one or more of Brown, Worley, Teare, Principe, Clinger, McGorty, Hindman, Parker, Affolder... medal at NCAA starting next year (or the year after)?

89yhpui9 wrote:

welcome to 30 years ago

40 years ago. Henry Rono, Nick Rose... Well, you get the drift. Back in the days before the Kenyans started flat out lying about their ages though. Today Rono would probably claim to be 17 when arriving at WSU if he didn't just go straight to the pros - and still claim to be 17.

The future of US distance on the men's side is bright, I'll give you that.

Apologies for high jacking this thread, but on the women's side things look a little rocky. There's several girls from Canada who are ready to make an impact next year and many more who will make their marks in a few years with proper development.

I have not been following the Australians, but I hear there's some talented girls making the move to the ncaa from down under as well.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Hhshshsh wrote:

None of the sub 4 HS guys seem to be making a mark.

None? One of them just won the NCAA 5000m.

Seriously. Maton is redshirting, has run 3:38, and was 19 in high school anyway. Fisher is coming along well. Verzbicas broke his back. Hunter literally can't make a mark on the NCAA. Slagowski has had a tough year, true. Everyone else is still in high school. Give it a couple years, sheesh.

Badabing wrote:

Verzbicas broke his back.

Way to use a Lithuanian HS runner to support your point that homegrown talents are doing fine against foreign imports.

Kerr is Scottish, not English.

Kerr is just 19, so not an age issue.

What I wonder is why we were dominated by countries other than Kenya when we have been going through such a golden age at the high school level. Have they been getting prospect after prospect as well? Or is there a problem in developing our guys, either from being overtrained to get scholarships out of high school or at the college level?

With Hunter and Murphy and Brazier, we would have had probably first in the 1500m with Murphy, fourth for Hunter, two out of the top three in the 800m, and then we get credit for Fisher because he is a U.S. citizen and went to high school in Michigan (I have no idea when he came to the U.S.).

Surprising to see none of these 8:40s high school runners running low 28 to high 27 by this point in college.

It's actually funny that this thread comes out the year that a US guy wins the 5000m. We had not seen that since 2006.

Sure, but what about the 800m, 1500m, steeple, and 10000m?

Americans won the 8 and 15 last year