Males are in general lazier than women. Women are more likely than men to complete college because they are willing to put in more work. Same is true for many immigrants.
Males are in general lazier than women. Women are more likely than men to complete college because they are willing to put in more work. Same is true for many immigrants.
“Your mom would love to do your laundry. Do your own damn laundry. Cook your own food and get your own job and pay your bills.â€
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Can give you a long list wrote:
But there is something to gain by being in a classroom with your peers. Discussing different ideas and having your ideas and beliefs challenged. If people don't experience this, they are effectively closing themselves off and nothing is gained. You learn how to have rational discourse with another person. You become a more polished individual.This is not how the typical college classroom functions today.
There's probably more rational discourse with the regulars at the liquor store.
How do you think the "typical college classroom functions today." I don't pretend to know what's going on in all, or most, college classrooms, but unless you have worked at all levels of 2 and 4-year institutions of higher education for the past 15 years (on top of a long student experience), you likely have less first-hand experience of college classrooms than I do.
I'd say that the above is a pretty fair description of the classroom discussions I conduct and that I sit in on when conducting faculty evals, with some unfortunate exceptions, of course.
*How do you think the "typical college classroom functions today"?*
Podunk U. wrote:
How do you think the "typical college classroom functions today." I don't pretend to know what's going on in all, or most, college classrooms, but unless you have worked at all levels of 2 and 4-year institutions of higher education for the past 15 years (on top of a long student experience), you likely have less first-hand experience of college classrooms than I do.
I'd say that the above is a pretty fair description of the classroom discussions I conduct and that I sit in on when conducting faculty evals, with some unfortunate exceptions, of course.
I've been in academia (in one way or another) since 1993. I must say I only faced (heavy) indoctrination in one course (history of math/science), though a couple of others were rather bad (inventing history for barbarians to fit our ideas, similarly with Greek mythology). The best one, though, was the prof in a "class studies" class, who we all thought was a commie (50yr with short ponytail), and of course we all wrote the gibberish we thought he wanted to hear regarding the first book we read (Engels). Au contraire, he reamed us all, saying that if the revolution hasn't come yet, it ain't gonna come tomorrow. But I majored in math and minored in econ, largely staying away from gender studies and other made-up subjects. The few times I stepped into such shadows, it looked pretty ugly for expression of alternative opinions (or should I say "unwanted" opinions, as "alternative" was probably OK - as long as it was even more avant garde). Friends in a psych course thought even that was rather diktat.
Yep. Your experience accords with mine. Academia, or at least the classroom experience for the average student, is not, in my extensive experience, as radically leftist as FOX News portrays it to be. One has also to differentiate the community college/state school experience which is the experience of the majority of college students, versus some of the silliness that goes on at the "elite" institutions that in terms of student population represent a skewed, minority vision of what college life is like.
All that said, I'll refrain from absolute statements. There's a lot I haven't seen and don't know.
If guys don't go to college, that is going to mean a lot less minds for the kooky, irresponsible, nut-bag liberal professors to contaminate.
Might be a good thing.
Mike from Yonkers wrote:
If guys don't go to college, that is going to mean a lot less minds for the kooky, irresponsible, nut-bag liberal professors to contaminate.
Might be a good thing.
There are good, rational reasons not to pursue college, and then there's your reasoning, which doesn't make much sense. Like someone else said, unless you're majoring in identity group politics, your college experience will have little to do with the dreaded liberal bias of Prof. Wackadoo in Gender Revolution 101. This logic reminds me of nothing so much as the black guys I grew up around who refused to go to college because it was "the white man's evil institution." This is just the same silliness turned inside out.
Podunk U. wrote:
I'm a writer, editor, entrepreneur, runner and tenured college prof, not in that order but close enough. I enjoyed your comment and I think you have a strong point. Now, of course, everyone doesn't work in a field such as your own where the skills a college education teaches are not needed, but many are. Unfortunately, we've gone from a society where you had to talk to someone and get to know them to figure out what it was they knew to one in which no one will talk to you if you don't have certain letters behind your name. That is, indeed, sad.
I've learned a great deal within and outside classrooms and I don't denigrate either type of learning. Both the skills I learned in the classroom and those I learned outside it help me pay my bills. I encourage my students to work hard in school, but also to be as independent and entrepreneurial as possible and not wait until they get the degree to venture out into the professional world.
One point another poster made does stand out as somewhat unique to the college experience, however: "But there is something to gain by being in a classroom with your peers. Discussing different ideas and having your ideas and beliefs challenged. If people don't experience this, they are effectively closing themselves off and nothing is gained. You learn how to have rational discourse with another person. You become a more polished individual."
Most people simply do not seek this kind of interaction out on their own, though of course they should.
This. Getting a higher education is important...doesn't mean you have to do it right away but it teaches you to want to "continue" learning. Sure you can go get a trade/skilled/ or even invent a product to become successful w/o going to college but why not challenge yourself more mentally? I told my kids, if we were rich I would still make them go to college not b/c we can afford it but b/c I want them to be challenged instead of relying on their parents inheritance. Also too, they are going to be working part time as well. Help pay for some of their expenses etc.
You don't teach your kids work value, success, failures if you just hand them over your money. They need to earn it too.
Also want to add, just b/c you think a college degree is dumb or didn't get you anywhere, I bet it at least it taught you something in life/work. Same with if you started out just working and then went to college years later--what did you bring to the discussion that might benefit a student who had not gotten a job first?
Can I become a HS teacher w/o a college degree?
The obvious answer... wrote:
Males are in general lazier than women. Women are more likely than men to complete college because they are willing to put in more work. Same is true for many immigrants.
Yep, you got to the bottom of it. Men are just lazy, brilliant. All men EVER did for anyone was, I don't know, built the house you live in, the computer you're using, the internet, Letsrun, the.....you see my point? Let's also ignore the fact that women do so well in our authoritarian-style public school system, that is also mostly taught by women, as they are rewarded for their natural agreeableness and obedience, whereas young boys are punished for their natural rebelliousness and individuality (1-in-5 boys are diagnosed with ADHD and prescribed with adderall by the time they're in highschool, twice as many as girls). So it is easy to see why males don't want to participate in an educational system that rejects them.
Worse than the profs at the typical uni IMO are the students. They come in with unrealistic ideals, and are quick bait to be divided into leftist agitators and neo-libertarians (for lack of a better term). Not many want to learn for its own sake, but they are in it for the degree (and 4 years of partying). Can't blame them, it's the system (HS) that let them down, or with low parental expectations (Oriental Asiatics are better of course).
But worse of all are the university administrators...
What I see wrote:
Worse than the profs at the typical uni IMO are the students. They come in with unrealistic ideals, and are quick bait to be divided into leftist agitators and neo-libertarians (for lack of a better term). Not many want to learn for its own sake, but they are in it for the degree (and 4 years of partying). Can't blame them, it's the system (HS) that let them down, or with low parental expectations (Oriental Asiatics are better of course).
But worse of all are the university administrators...
I'm hesitant to ascribe too much blame to young people. I think there are major problems with our educational system, primarily at the lower grades, but in colleges as well. The poster who wrote about the anti-male bias in grade schools speaks the truth: Boys are consistently undermined and deemed miscreants and they naturally develop a dislike of school long before college.
I agree about those administrators; I've met very few who were effective, or intelligent, or anything...
The great crusade to turn everyone into bourgeoisie goes down in flames. RIP capitalism
luv2run wrote:
Way too many kids go to college
1) ill prepared for the academics
2) ill prepared to be on their own
3) no idea what they want to do or probably more specifically how to get there
4) just because "they are supposed to"
What happens too often then is the kid gets bad grades, drops out, but guess what? That student loan is still due. So they end up in a pretty low paying job and having a good deal of debt.
I applaud folks who take a few years and work. College will always be there. It gets tough to go when you are used to an income.
The men in college are less mature than the women. Even bad when we might have dressed better we were still less mature.
If you go to a good school then college is great
If you're a redneck idiot then don't go to college
There's nothing in college that you can learn better and/or faster than on The Internet.
There's no discussion in college classrooms that you can have with more people simultaniously and/or at a deeper level than on The Internet.
There are no middle class job that college can preper you better for than official and/or unofficial tutorials on The Internet.
There are no high paid jobs that college can preper you better for than expert chattrooms and forums on The Internet.
The only reason to go to college is for sex, especially if you're a young woman from a small town with judgmental people who needs to escape that to be able to join a hook-up culture and experiment. Even for a young man who's able to land a job and an income right away and isn't a cuck there are more hook-up options now by means of The Internet.
So yeah, basically, the only reason to attend a college classroom now is if you're aiming for a future career as a classroom teacher yourself - kind of an oxymoron come to think about it...
Young men are in an unusual place in the US today. Evidence shows that young women are less interested in men as life partners because men aren't bringing much to the table like they used to. There is a large portion of guys that play video games, live with their parents, and don't have meaningful incomes or prospects. Women are choosing more and more to have kids, but stay single and work. Can't say I blame them.
I respect the fact that men are choosing to not go to college because they don't want to rack up debt or don't feel that they are ready. The truth is that almost any job in the future that is going to offer a desirable standard of living is going to require a good amount of higher education and the maturity that a college experience instills. There are some who are self starters who can develop these skills on their own. Most 19 year olds will need the structure of college to guide them through a course of study and keep them on track. I hope that young men figure this out and get more aggressive in their future planning.
gregtucker wrote:
Working at a liquor store isn't going to do anything for you. Its stuff like this that makes me weep for my generation. People aren't willing to work hard and pay their dues. Everyone thinks they deserve an awesome job and that everything can be self taught.
Yes! This is something that has really surprised me about this generation, and not something that I experienced graduating college 10 years ago. There is an expectation of a dream job without an understanding that dream jobs are attained after years of hard work and dues paying. I'm not sure how this came to be, recession-driven lack of traditional jobs combined with millennial attitude focused on personal enjoyment (??), but when I graduated in 2005 the expectation was you graduated with a job, and I was applying all of the time, everywhere, to make sure I had one. Maybe because those jobs were no longer available from 2008-2010 the expectation shifted, and then from there people became more choosy, but the attitude that my sister-in-law and my cousins who just graduated and are about to graduate have is so different than that of my peers.
Just because you like film and make movies doesn't mean there has to be a job for you in that industry when you graduate. And if there isn't a job in film for you when you graduate, that doesn't mean student loans are oppressive and that Bernie is the answer. I'd be much more sympathetic to business or engineering majors who cant get basic entry-level professional jobs, but people holding out for dream jobs in the arts and non-profits right out of college, with little work experience, come on, the world has never worked that way.
India - where young people study math and natural sciences until they become engineers - and then they decide what they want to be when they grow up.
USA - where natural sciences have been hijacked by the alarmist left AND suppresed by the religious right.
This difference might have something to do with it - just saying... ;-)
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