That's fine. When we've deported the illegals we have enough young Americans to do all the menial work.
Seems to me the benefits of going to college these days are not as worth it as back in my generation.
Can't say I blame today's college kids... it seems a lot harder now than it did just 20 years ago.
First, I don't know if there is any stat to back this up.
Second, if this were a story about young women not going to college it would rightly portray it not as their choice but as a very unfortunate situation. In recent decades, the male-female proportion in colleges fell from roughly 52-48 to 45-55. The remaining men are often unemployed, poor, in prison, but of course some working and doing okay.
Excellent news!
I was already paying too much for my plumber. Good to know I'll have plenty of cheap future labour to mow my law and maintain my investment properties!
Drat my college degree and high paying professional job - I bet my parents are secretly pissed!
Way too many kids go to college
1) ill prepared for the academics
2) ill prepared to be on their own
3) no idea what they want to do or probably more specifically how to get there
4) just because "they are supposed to"
What happens too often then is the kid gets bad grades, drops out, but guess what? That student loan is still due. So they end up in a pretty low paying job and having a good deal of debt.
I applaud folks who take a few years and work. College will always be there. It gets tough to go when you are used to an income.
The men in college are less mature than the women. Even bad when we might have dressed better we were still less mature.
Very true. College isn't for everyone, but I wish people who feel this way would consider the trades.
luv2run wrote:
Way too many kids go to college
1) ill prepared for the academics
2) ill prepared to be on their own
3) no idea what they want to do or probably more specifically how to get there
4) just because "they are supposed to"
What happens too often then is the kid gets bad grades, drops out, but guess what? That student loan is still due. So they end up in a pretty low paying job and having a good deal of debt.
I applaud folks who take a few years and work. College will always be there. It gets tough to go when you are used to an income.
The men in college are less mature than the women. Even bad when we might have dressed better we were still less mature.
And the downfall of America continues.
While American boys skip college because they are unambitious pvssies, foreigners will continue to get degrees and take the high paying jobs. Don't worry, Americans are great at complaining and blaming others for our faults.
This is more a sign of the economy than anything else (and further evidence that women are better in school than men in almost all majors except engineering and computer science). People are able to find decent paying work without a degree (and in CO the minimum wage is going up, so fewer people are trying to get 2 year degrees in jobs that pay slightly more than minimum wage and are instead opting for unskilled employment). It will likely turn the other direction when the economy does. Just remember that even at the peak of the great recession in January 2010, most of the unemployed were the non-college educated crowd (17.6% unemployment versus the 4-year college educated crowd that was 5.1%). Don't get the degree at your own peril.
You don't need to rack up a lot of debt to go to college.
Go to the closest school and don't borrow for housing.
Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too.
Good. I make a lot of money developing real estate, and I am 100% sure that a bright high school graduate could learn to perform any task that my job entails without a minute of college education. A few guys in the office who do high-level stochastic modeling might use some math they didn't learn in high school, but basic algebra and decent communication skills are pretty much the only necessary skills for the rest of us.
Hopefully we'll get away from the idea that spending money on a degree makes one valuable. I think we'd all be more productive if we worried about how much mental horsepower a person has than how much time they've spent wasting that mental horsepower on academic tasks that don't put a dollar in the pocket of anyone but the university.
Trump promised them all Coal mining jobs. MCGA!!! Make Coal Great Again!!!
College is very feminized these days, to the point of being anti-male.
sbeefyk1 wrote:
And the downfall of America continues.
While American boys skip college because they are unambitious pvssies, foreigners will continue to get degrees and take the high paying jobs. Don't worry, Americans are great at complaining and blaming others for our faults.
They mostly complain about illegal aliens and H2B immigrants. So can we agree that we should crack down on these?
Working in a likker store surrounded by my best friends all day, couldn't be better.
sbeefyk1 wrote:
And the downfall of America continues.
While American boys skip college because they are unambitious pvssies, foreigners will continue to get degrees and take the high paying jobs. Don't worry, Americans are great at complaining and blaming others for our faults.
You beat me to it. I thought we would continue to be the best country in the world due to hard working immigrants, but it seems that "real Americans" are more than wiling to shoot themselves, and this country, in the foot. There was a time when the President of the United States was truly the leader of the free world. Now he is a laughingstock. And ironically, his catchphrase is appropriate: Sad.
Good luck to them, they're going to need it. I understand that not everything can be learned in a classroom. I took two years off between sophomore and junior year of college, best decision I ever made. I worked and figured out what I wanted to do with my live. I even gained valuable work experience which helped lessons in clsss make sense when I returned to school.
But there is something to gain by being in a classroom with your peers. Discussing different ideas and having your ideas and beliefs challenged. If people don't experience this, they are effectively closing themselves off and nothing is gained. You learn how to have rational discourse with another person. You become a more polished individual.
On the other hand, I totally believe that going to trade school or learning a describable skill is an excellent path to go down too--something I wish I had followed up on years ago.
Working at a liquor store isn't going to do anything for you. Its stuff like this that makes me weep for my generation. People aren't willing to work hard and pay their dues. Everyone thinks they deserve an awesome job and that everything can be self taught.
I'm a writer, editor, entrepreneur, runner and tenured college prof, not in that order but close enough. I enjoyed your comment and I think you have a strong point. Now, of course, everyone doesn't work in a field such as your own where the skills a college education teaches are not needed, but many are. Unfortunately, we've gone from a society where you had to talk to someone and get to know them to figure out what it was they knew to one in which no one will talk to you if you don't have certain letters behind your name. That is, indeed, sad.
I've learned a great deal within and outside classrooms and I don't denigrate either type of learning. Both the skills I learned in the classroom and those I learned outside it help me pay my bills. I encourage my students to work hard in school, but also to be as independent and entrepreneurial as possible and not wait until they get the degree to venture out into the professional world.
One point another poster made does stand out as somewhat unique to the college experience, however: "But there is something to gain by being in a classroom with your peers. Discussing different ideas and having your ideas and beliefs challenged. If people don't experience this, they are effectively closing themselves off and nothing is gained. You learn how to have rational discourse with another person. You become a more polished individual."
Most people simply do not seek this kind of interaction out on their own, though of course they should.
But there is something to gain by being in a classroom with your peers. Discussing different ideas and having your ideas and beliefs challenged. If people don't experience this, they are effectively closing themselves off and nothing is gained. You learn how to have rational discourse with another person. You become a more polished individual.
This is not how the typical college classroom functions today.
There's probably more rational discourse with the regulars at the liquor store.