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Little Cur wrote:

Nice speculation. Pure conjecture.

Guy admitted as much at the time. Ask around.

For someone who can't keep his emails and usernames straight you seem pretty confident about an episode I know you weren't around for.

Funny that people that have known Guy and the history of the Brentwood program the shortest amount of time, have the biggest torch. You will look back later in embarrassment of your behavior and treatment of others. Kharma is a B talking smack about all these "JV caliber runners".

Funny. How many handles will you hide behind. Tell me, who said this? You know, right?

"I think it would be extremely detrimental to your group to ask someone who doesn't train with you or pay you to participate in the DMR, basically handing some kid an all American medal."

Unlike you, I include evidence. So, when I say something, it is fact, not rumor, conjecture, or from the Horse's Mouth. In other words, it is not just gossip.

Little Cur wrote:

Funny. How many handles will you hide behind. Tell me, who said this? You know, right?

"I think it would be extremely detrimental to your group to ask someone who doesn't train with you or pay you to participate in the DMR, basically handing some kid an all American medal."

Unlike you, I include evidence. So, when I say something, it is fact, not rumor, conjecture, or from the Horse's Mouth. In other words, it is not just gossip.

We need more gossip and less facts, sir.

That's where you come in; the spreading of false information. Facts, right now, are very inconvenient for you. You are just fortunate that I have not shared more of the facts. But, please do tell; who am I quoting, that is proposing pay for play, and who got rejected? Grow some and tell the truth for a change.

Since this is two people, probably in the same town going back and forth, can't you two ladies get a room or something?

You each have different opinions and will never admit the other side is right. A lot of people read this board and I feel bad that current and future teammates of your kids have to see two "grown men" act more like toddlers.

Little Cur wrote:

Nice speculation. Pure conjecture.

All I did was reply to "Cults are bad" and "huh, what?" from a few pages ago when you decided to reply.

I'm not "Cults are bad" or "huh, what." Was just answering their questions. Believe what you want.

Again, your comments are mere speculation about Avery. Please bring facts and proof so your defamation will no longer be without substantiation. Otherwise, you are just a gossip.

How about you bring YOUR proof that Guy Avery never saw the handbook that the Volunteer Agreement form was located in. Bring your proof that he didn't know the rules too while you're at it.

I can just imagine in a court case someone saying, "Just prove to me that you did not agree to what I said you agree to." Case dismissed, oh dense one, for lack of evidence. It is innocent until proven guilty. He does not need to prove he is innocent, oh dense one.

The district, in their report, does not even make one single claim that Avery knowingly violated either policy, and they provide no evidence that he knowingly violated either policy. In addition, if the district wanted to prove someone had received a handbook, they would have him initial a disclosure to that effect. They do that for various other policies.

Lastly, oh dense one, the handbook is not one of policies, but of procedures. The section brought up in handbook is in the context of what you could and could not do with regards to fundraising.

If he signed something saying he received the handbook, or if his volunteer agreement says he will work within the confines of said handbook and follow all policies and procedures set forth by Brentwood HS and whomever else, then Avery messed up. Ignorance to policy and procedure isn't a valid defense. If someone can get a copy of what he signed (as would be suponeod if this does go to court), we would know the answer to this. And if you don't think most employers, especially school districts, require people to sign things that hold them to the employer's policies and procedures, you are mistaken. And school's make their volunteers sign the same thing in order to cover themselves. It doesn't excuse anyone else, like the AD and school officials, and it certainly doesn't excuse Avery assuming he did in fact sign an agreement say he received handbook and/or would follow policy and procedures set forth by the school, district, /state, etc.

And that is great. Their varsity will comprise of JV caliber runners, and will suck, while the good runners will compete elsewhere.

High school coaches (and volunteer coaches) are almost always year to year employees. Districts can change them for any reason any year. This situation seems like so much drama that it would make sense the district would just be done with it.

1) It seems the he was told to become a volunteer to circumvent a rule (probably not the best idea, but they did it). He was getting reported for coaching athletes at high school meets. Rather than say you can't do that, administration tried to find a loop hole.

2) All was good till they started getting complaints. Whether people agree with those complaints, once they start getting them, the school has to research it - and most districts will just cut ties as this much drama and a lot of rule breaking (even if you didn't know the rules or were told it was ok to break the rules) is just too much when it's about high school cross country.

3) It seems weird that top kids would stay after practice 2 times a week to pay do a private workout with a coach - who is an assistant and is picking the roster and events. Why wouldn't he give them the workout to do during practice time? Then all kids in the high school program would benefit from working with the fastest kids. From the outside this looks like a way of pushing any parent who wants their kid to be fast to pay you. Simply because you can't work with the fast kids at practice.

4) He has a right to start a club team and run club meets. Most likely after this one group graduates people won't do that. This group most likely will but down the road it will be hard to convince a decent above average kid to skip their hs career to race 4-5 times a year at meets far away.

You are the dumb one. He signed up to volunteer and that is all the form basically says; he agrees to volunteer. Only an idiot reads more into that. It does not make him fully informed. Regardless, he is glad to be gone. He had more clients when he was not a volunteer at BHS. Win/win.

Good post. 1. Yep 2. Yep, mainly from one guy 3. When he was a volunteer coach, all kids at the varsity level, or up and coming runners, did run together during practice time. When he was only a private coach, the kids would do their easy runs for the week together, during practice time. On workout days, the kids would circle up for practice each day, and warm-up, to fulfill some practice requirement, (when that was acceptable), then run the workout after practice with the private coach. Good system, compliant with district policies, and worked great. Then, they hired a school coach who required runners to train with him, making it impractical for the former system to work. 4. We will see. Fortunately, he coaches kids from other schools, whose coaches do allow the flexibility for it to work for them, while still running on the school team. Brentwood coach just can't seem to get past it, (ego? insecurity? principle? definitely old-school), even though he has no paid coaching experience. So, kids would rather be coached by a guy who knows what he is doing, than for an unproven, inexperienced coach.

Doesn't "volunteer" just mean "unpaid assistant who answers to the head coach?"

So upon signing on as a volunteer coach, he now had to report to the head coach and school officials and follow all rules and regulations. As someone showed earlier he could not accept payment from the student athletes anymore. The school should have enforced that and he should have complied or just never taken the job. Neither happened and all parties are now responsible. As far as why would the current coach not want people skiping the team workouts for those of a private coach, that answer is simple, because it undermines him. If a handful of kids say your workouts aren't good enough for us and we want special permission to skip them, how does that make the coach look? Go work with the guy in the off season, after you do what your coach tells you to do at team practice, but it's very priveledged that kids and parents think they can dictate what practices their kid attends and what they do at them. Newsflash that's not how it will work in college and they will be alienated at the next level very quickly. But that's been proven, because majority of Avery's athletes don't progress or quit the sport during college.

Yep