HGL wrote:
I care.
So do I. That is why athletics enthusiasts look for great performances in all age groups from Under 13 to V 45 or V 70.
Do not listen to young cocks in the web. It is his turn to demonstrate at least three decades of first class running and lifelong discipline.
Running a 1:51/800m at 25 years of age is great but 1:51/800m at age 45 is simply outstanding. Fantastic.
ElliotCramOvettCoe wrote:
Actually, it probably suggests he was clean during the African EPO era, like all the talented British runners who came after Coe, Ovett, Cram.
You mean like Holmes and Radcliffe?
Monty Python wrote:
Why are these UK runners so slow in their prime in the first place?
Does that make them try "harder" when they're "masters".
Do they know that this "news" makes everyone giggle?
----Sorry, EPO and T use should not be a laughing matter!
Slow? He ran a 3:32 1500m.
Monty Python wrote:
Why are these UK runners so slow in their prime in the first place?
Does that make them try "harder" when they're "masters".
Do they know that this "news" makes everyone giggle?
----Sorry, EPO and T use should not be a laughing matter!
They weren't slow. Whiteman ran a 3:32 1500m in 1997. Unfortunately, he was up against EPO juiced cheats from Africa.
Yeah, it would be a good idea to force the retired runners from the 90s and 00s to come back and prove they were the best in the world clean - if they want to keep their WRs and Olympic medals. It would be a much better and fairer idea than the plan to scrub all records. It would be a box office winner too. Most people don't generally care about 45 year olds running 3:40, but with the legitimacy of world records at stake it would create massive interest.
El G and Morcelli were 3:35 runners at best without all their PEDs. All that PED use has probably caught up with them now too and they're likely physical wrecks. Yates and Whiteman might actually lap them.
I wonder if Ventolin/Calculo has got a mathematical equation to convert Master's times into potential peak career times?
If Whiteman can run 1:51 as a 45 year old, what was his potential as a 25 year old? His PB is only high 1:45. Surely his Master's time suggests he ought to have been running 1:44 or better?
The WMA algorithm gives it an open result of 1:41.07. Which means that is what it is statistically equivalent to, not for any individual. It means that it is a statistically very strong record.http://www.howardgrubb.co.uk/athletics/wmalookup06.html
MinisterofSillyWalks wrote:
I wonder if Ventolin/Calculo has got a mathematical equation to convert Master's times into potential peak career times?
If Whiteman can run 1:51 as a 45 year old, what was his potential as a 25 year old? His PB is only high 1:45. Surely his Master's time suggests he ought to have been running 1:44 or better?
We know 35 year olds are cabable of 1:43. Not a stretch to think an athlete like that could run 1:50 10 years later. In 1981 the men's 45 800 record was 1:57.4 I think we are finally seeing the records closer to where they should be. Not that they were soft, but not necessarily up to their potential. When athletes like Kim Collins run 9.93 100 at age 40 and no doubt we will see a 1:50 from Whiteman- these are getting much closer to the potential. I wouldn't be surprised if in a 5-10 years the M50 records are closer to this:100 10.5200 21.5400 48 800 1:541500 3:53
MinisterofSillyWalks wrote:
I wonder if Ventolin/Calculo has got a mathematical equation to convert Master's times into potential peak career times?
If Whiteman can run 1:51 as a 45 year old, what was his potential as a 25 year old? His PB is only high 1:45. Surely his Master's time suggests he ought to have been running 1:44 or better?
Whiteman ran 1:49.5 less than 12 months ago. I think he will break 1:50 this year again.
2 years ago, he ran 3:43 and 1:48!
Les wrote:
ElliotCramOvettCoe wrote:Actually, it probably suggests he was clean during the African EPO era, like all the talented British runners who came after Coe, Ovett, Cram.
You mean like Holmes and Radcliffe?
I meant the British male middle-distance runners from the early 90's.
Britain changed after the mid 90's, due to events such as the death of Princess Diana and the election of Tony Bliar. The national character changed, or rather died. The British became fake, hysterical, retarded, nasty.
But the fact that a few such as Holmes, Radcliffe, and Farah stand out in terms of suspicion suggests most of the British athletes were/are clean.
In the 800m and 880y it's still seconds off the world bests for that age.
I can recall reading an interview in which Tony Whiteman states that his true potential for 800m was probably in the 1:43 range. Whiteman is an example of what can be achieved when an elite athlete decides to remain dedicated to training in later life (as long as they are fortunate enough to possess slow-aging genes!).
LateAtNight wrote:
I can recall reading an interview in which Tony Whiteman states that his true potential for 800m was probably in the 1:43 range. Whiteman is an example of what can be achieved when an elite athlete decides to remain dedicated to training in later life (as long as they are fortunate enough to possess slow-aging genes!).
"Dedicated to training later in life"=code for running obsessed and still sacrifices Christmas morning presents for his long run. Blah. Walk away, already. It's like those 34yo men still playing double A baseball on 25k/yr with 3 kids and a wife.
Ssri wrote:
LateAtNight wrote:I can recall reading an interview in which Tony Whiteman states that his true potential for 800m was probably in the 1:43 range. Whiteman is an example of what can be achieved when an elite athlete decides to remain dedicated to training in later life (as long as they are fortunate enough to possess slow-aging genes!).
"Dedicated to training later in life"=code for running obsessed and still sacrifices Christmas morning presents for his long run. Blah. Walk away, already. It's like those 34yo men still playing double A baseball on 25k/yr with 3 kids and a wife.
Maybe he should sit around and drink beer and watch TV/sports in his free time. Maybe more should try this lifestyle. Certainly fitter and happier than the 34 yo old AA baseball players. Good on them anyway for enjoying their life.
Ssri wrote:
"Dedicated to training later in life"=code for running obsessed and still sacrifices Christmas morning presents for his long run. Blah. Walk away, already. It's like those 34yo men still playing double A baseball on 25k/yr with 3 kids and a wife.
If you think Tony Whiteman is doing long runs then you need to reconsider your assumptions. Hard but light volume training is what a big tall talented 45 year old running 1:50 is doing.
"Dedicated to training later in life"=code for running obsessed and still sacrifices Christmas morning presents for his long run. Blah. Walk away, already. It's like those 34yo men still playing double A baseball on 25k/yr with 3 kids and a wife.
When you are 40+ with a wife and three kids you will understand that these people have their priorities in order, and that their wife and kids are the happier for it.
I love the hatred fro masters athletes :)
Clear you're jealous that someone older is better than you and you're in your prime lol