Harvard woes

Is that you Patrick? Use of the term "committed" is kind of a giveaway that it's you. I know it's one of your favorite inanities.

Marcus Welby wrote:

Kind of disingenuous to ask if PWD laid out specific metrics on weight. Why is that a requirement for judging his behavior? You sound like Senators asking Jim Comey if Trump specifically told him to drop his investigation. He didn't need to - he had all the power and Comey got the message loud and clear. Same with PWD and his athletes.

The reluctance to believe so many young women is really shocking. We haven't come very far in treatment of women, have we?

And who says the hyphenated one is on his way out? Last I heard Harvard was refusing to make the results of their investigation public and saying he would stay. Watch out Harvard - it's always the cover-up!

Again, I think people tied in with the situation are so emotional about this, and rightly so, that's it's too difficult for them to have a straight conversation much of the time.

I asked if there were specific metrics on weight because that is concrete evidence that is not open to interpretation, which are the things you would want to concentrate on if at all possible when making a case. The more emotional the complaints are the more one has to be skeptical of the claims.

For instance, one of the best ways to state the case that something is amiss at Harvard is to show us the results of the team the past 5 years versus the other teams in their conference. It only takes a few minutes to look up Princeton's or Dartmouth's distance team and compare it to Harvard's. Actually, because the TFRRS website is so slow it may take considerably longer, but the point is, if you do a comparison like this and see how Harvard has completely imploded then it doesn't matter if you like PWD or not, their team now sucks and only a handful of girls and guys are competing at the distance events.

Whether the culture is bad or not, the team is, and that's reason enough to change coaches.

Princeton women's 1500 performances for 2017

RANK ATHLETE YEAR TIME MEET MEET DATE DATE SUBMITTED

239 Hanss, Kaitlin SR-4 4:19.68 2017 Larry Ellis Invitational 04/21/17 04/22/17

267 Hanss, Kaitlin SR-4 4:20.63 NCAA Division I East Preliminary Round 05/25/17 05/28/17

283 Bird, Elizabeth SR-4 4:20.92 West Point Twilight 05/11/17 05/12/17

469 Sumner, Madeleine FR-1 4:22.90 West Point Twilight 05/11/17 05/12/17

629 Hanss, Kaitlin SR-4 4:24.18 NCAA Division I East Preliminary Round 05/25/17 05/28/17

816 Sumner, Madeleine FR-1 4:25.43 2017 Larry Ellis Invitational 04/21/17 04/22/17

924 Hanss, Kaitlin SR-4 4:26.09 Florida Relays 03/30/17 04/02/17

1100 Leach, Brighie SO-2 4:27.12 West Point Twilight 05/11/17 05/12/17

1122 Offstein, Madison SO-2 4:27.21 West Point Twilight 05/11/17 05/12/17

1162 Miller, Delaney JR-3 4:27.34 2017 Larry Ellis Invitational 04/21/17 04/22/17

1699 Sumner, Madeleine FR-1 4:29.94 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/06/17 05/07/17

1897 Miller, Delaney JR-3 4:30.81 2017 Sam Howell Invitational 04/08/17 04/09/17

2009 Offstein, Madison SO-2 4:31.31 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/06/17 05/07/17

2031 Curham, Megan JR-3 4:31.37 2017 Larry Ellis Invitational 04/21/17 04/22/17

2113 Sumner, Madeleine FR-1 4:31.69 2017 Sam Howell Invitational 04/08/17 04/09/17

2138 Seykora, Maria SR-4 4:31.77 2017 Larry Ellis Invitational 04/21/17 04/22/17

2255 Offstein, Madison SO-2 4:32.12 2017 Larry Ellis Invitational 04/21/17 04/22/17

2388 Seykora, Maria SR-4 4:32.62 West Point Twilight 05/11/17 05/12/17

2442 Miller, Delaney JR-3 4:32.82 IC4A/ECAC Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/12/17 05/14/17

2518 Jurew, Anna SO-2 4:33.06 2017 Sam Howell Invitational 04/08/17 04/09/17

2638 Forrest, Gabrielle SO-2 4:33.56 2017 Larry Ellis Invitational 04/21/17 04/22/17

2765 Leach, Brighie SO-2 4:33.90 UNF Spring Break Invitational 03/24/17 03/25/17

2775 Miller, Delaney JR-3 4:33.93 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/06/17 05/07/17

2897 Hanss, Kaitlin SR-4 4:34.30 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/06/17 05/07/17

3190 Forrest, Gabrielle SO-2 4:35.12 UNF Spring Break Invitational 03/24/17 03/25/17

3244 Seykora, Maria SR-4 4:35.31 2017 Sam Howell Invitational 04/08/17 04/09/17

3382 Markovich, Alexandra SR-4 4:35.63 UNF Spring Break Invitational 03/24/17 03/25/17

3451 Offstein, Madison SO-2 4:35.80 UNF Spring Break Invitational 03/24/17 03/25/17

3514 Sumner, Madeleine FR-1 4:35.99 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/06/17 05/07/17

3601 Hanss, Kaitlin SR-4 4:36.24 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/06/17 05/07/17

3929 Ackerman, Jessica SR-4 4:37.03 2017 Larry Ellis Invitational 04/21/17 04/22/17

4007 Markovich, Alexandra SR-4 4:37.24 2017 Larry Ellis Invitational 04/21/17 04/22/17

4091 Chacko, Rachael SR-4 4:37.47 2017 Larry Ellis Invitational 04/21/17 04/22/17

4150 Reed, Melissa JR-3 4:37.65 2017 Larry Ellis Invitational 04/21/17 04/22/17

4678 Endres, Erin FR-1 4:38.88 UNF Spring Break Invitational 03/24/17 03/25/17

4757 Reed, Melissa JR-3 4:39.04 UNF Spring Break Invitational 03/24/17 03/25/17

5003 Sims, Zoe SR-4 4:39.65 2017 Larry Ellis Invitational 04/21/17 04/22/17

5029 Endres, Erin FR-1 4:39.71 2017 Larry Ellis Invitational 04/21/17 04/22/17

5177 Sumner, Madeleine FR-1 4:40.05 NCAA Division I East Preliminary Round 05/25/17 05/28/17

5701 Endres, Erin FR-1 4:41.21 2017 Sam Howell Invitational 04/08/17 04/09/17

6025 Marvin, Nicole SR-4 4:41.95 UNF Spring Break Invitational 03/24/17 03/25/17

6779 Klimkiewicz, Allie SO-2 4:43.47 UNF Spring Break Invitational 03/24/17 03/25/17

7547 Buscher, Mim SO-2 4:44.91 2017 Larry Ellis Invitational 04/21/17 04/22/17

7716 Chacko, Rachael SR-4 4:45.22 2017 Sam Howell Invitational 04/08/17 04/09/17

7792 Seykora, Maria SR-4 4:45.34 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/06/17 05/07/17

7842 Offstein, Madison SO-2 4:45.45 2017 Sam Howell Invitational 04/08/17 04/09/17

7915 Ackerman, Jessica SR-4 4:45.57 2017 Sam Howell Invitational 04/08/17 04/09/17

9974 Buscher, Mim SO-2 4:49.60 2017 Sam Howell Invitational 04/08/17 04/09/17

10534 Jurew, Anna SO-2 4:50.57 2017 Larry Ellis Invitational 04/21/17 04/22/17

11246 Seykora, Maria SR-4 4:51.81 2017 Mark T Young Invitational 04/01/17 04/01/17

11493 Renuart, Melinda JR-3 4:52.22 2017 Sam Howell Invitational 04/08/17 04/09/17

12487 Renuart, Melinda JR-3 4:53.99 2017 Mark T Young Invitational 04/01/17 04/01/17

13363 Bacon, Taylor SO-2 4:55.44 2017 Larry Ellis Invitational 04/21/17 04/22/17

13452 Bacon, Taylor SO-2 4:55.63 2017 Sam Howell Invitational 04/08/17 04/09/17

16727 Chacko, Rachael SR-4 5:01.22 2017 Mark T Young Invitational 04/01/17 04/01/17

26377 Hui, Mary SR-4 5:20.30 2017 Mark T Young Invitational 04/01/17 04/01/17

Harvard's 1500 performances 2017

RANK ATHLETE YEAR TIME MEET MEET DATE DATE SUBMITTED

1041 Pendergast, Judy FR-1 4:26.79 Stanford Cardinal Classic 04/21/17 04/23/17

1391 Pendergast, Judy FR-1 4:28.58 Harvard vs. Yale 04/15/17 04/17/17

1723 Gillespie, Sarah SR-4 4:30.04 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/06/17 05/07/17

1731 Sadler, Miranda SO-2 4:30.07 Stanford Cardinal Classic 04/21/17 04/23/17

3262 Sadler, Miranda SO-2 4:35.35 Harvard vs. Yale 04/15/17 04/17/17

4493 Sadler, Miranda SO-2 4:38.44 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/06/17 05/07/17

4862 Gillespie, Sarah SR-4 4:39.31 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/06/17 05/07/17

15519 Gillespie, Sarah SR-4 4:59.23 Harvard vs. Yale 04/15/17 04/17/17

Princeton women 2016

RANK ATHLETE YEAR TIME MEET MEET DATE DATE SUBMITTED

568 Hanss, Kaitlin JR-3 4:22.63 Larry Ellis Invite 04/22/16 04/23/16

1101 Hanss, Kaitlin JR-3 4:26.00 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/07/16 05/07/16

1263 Renuart, Melinda SO-2 4:26.89 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/07/16 05/07/16

1889 Renuart, Melinda SO-2 4:30.22 Lions Invitational 04/29/16 05/01/16

1953 Miller, Delaney SO-2 4:30.54 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/07/16 05/07/16

1984 Hanss, Kaitlin JR-3 4:30.66 USF Bulls Invitational 03/17/16 03/18/16

1998 de La Bruyere, Emily SR-4 4:30.69 USF Bulls Invitational 03/17/16 03/18/16

2120 Hanss, Kaitlin JR-3 4:31.25 NCAA Division I - East Preliminary Round 05/26/16 05/29/16

2134 Renuart, Melinda SO-2 4:31.30 Larry Ellis Invite 04/22/16 04/23/16

2266 Leach, Brighie FR-1 4:31.78 Stanford Invitational 04/01/16 04/03/16

2274 Leach, Brighie FR-1 4:31.80 USF Bulls Invitational 03/17/16 03/18/16

2310 Fluehr, Kathryn SR-4 4:31.91 Princeton Outdoor Invite 04/15/16 04/15/16

2415 Leach, Brighie FR-1 4:32.29 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/07/16 05/07/16

2415 Markovich, Alexandra JR-3 4:32.29 Princeton Outdoor Invite 04/15/16 04/15/16

2487 Bird, Elizabeth JR-3 4:32.61 Lions Invitational 04/29/16 05/01/16

2685 Miller, Delaney SO-2 4:33.28 Lions Invitational 04/29/16 05/01/16

2691 Hanss, Kaitlin JR-3 4:33.29 Sam Howell (College) 04/08/16 04/09/16

2894 Renuart, Melinda SO-2 4:33.87 IC4A/ECAC Outdoor Track and Field Championships 05/13/16 05/14/16

3140 Miller, Delaney SO-2 4:34.63 Larry Ellis Invite 04/22/16 04/23/16

3690 Sims, Zoe JR-3 4:36.23 Princeton Outdoor Invite 04/15/16 04/15/16

3778 Miller, Delaney SO-2 4:36.54 IC4A/ECAC Outdoor Track and Field Championships 05/13/16 05/14/16

4003 Leach, Brighie FR-1 4:37.13 IC4A/ECAC Outdoor Track and Field Championships 05/13/16 05/14/16

4039 Renuart, Melinda SO-2 4:37.21 Sam Howell (College) 04/08/16 04/09/16

4062 Miller, Delaney SO-2 4:37.25 Princeton Outdoor Invite 04/15/16 04/15/16

4766 Renuart, Melinda SO-2 4:39.17 Sam Howell (College) 04/08/16 04/09/16

5426 Miller, Delaney SO-2 4:40.61 Sam Howell (College) 04/08/16 04/09/16

6726 Hutton, Birdie SR-4 4:43.42 Princeton Outdoor Invite 04/15/16 04/15/16

7052 Hutton, Birdie SR-4 4:44.07 Lions Invitational 04/29/16 05/01/16

7475 Leach, Brighie FR-1 4:44.92 Princeton Outdoor Invite 04/15/16 04/15/16

7515 Chacko, Rachael JR-3 4:44.99 Sam Howell (College) 04/08/16 04/09/16

8352 Hutton, Birdie SR-4 4:46.53 Larry Ellis Invite 04/22/16 04/23/16

8596 Bacon, Taylor FR-1 4:47.03 Princeton Outdoor Invite 04/15/16 04/15/16

8907 Bacon, Taylor FR-1 4:47.64 Lions Invitational 04/29/16 05/01/16

13196 Bacon, Taylor FR-1 4:55.36 Larry Ellis Invite 04/22/16 04/23/16

19792 Bacon, Taylor FR-1 5:07.19 Sam Howell (College) 04/08/16 04/09/16

Harvard 2016

RANK ATHLETE YEAR TIME MEET MEET DATE DATE SUBMITTED

95 Kouba, Paige SR-4 4:16.46 Raleigh Relays 03/25/16 03/27/16

99 Kouba, Paige SR-4 4:16.52 Virginia Challenge 04/22/16 04/24/16

552 Kouba, Paige SR-4 4:22.50 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/07/16 05/07/16

814 Kouba, Paige SR-4 4:24.25 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/07/16 05/07/16

1081 Kouba, Paige SR-4 4:25.88 Harvard vs. Yale 04/16/16 04/17/16

1325 Gallagher, Kieran SR-4 4:27.39 Florida Relays 03/31/16 04/06/16

2202 Gallagher, Kieran SR-4 4:31.55 Raleigh Relays 03/25/16 03/27/16

2533 Shwayder, Elianna SO-2 4:32.76 Harvard vs. Yale 04/16/16 04/17/16

3104 Sadler, Miranda FR-1 4:34.48 Harvard vs. Yale 04/16/16 04/17/16

3297 Gallagher, Kieran SR-4 4:35.13 Virginia Challenge 04/22/16 04/24/16

3362 Sadler, Miranda FR-1 4:35.33 Raleigh Relays 03/25/16 03/27/16

3856 Sadler, Miranda FR-1 4:36.83 Florida Relays 03/31/16 04/06/16

4275 Sadler, Miranda FR-1 4:37.88 Virginia Challenge 04/22/16 04/24/16

5926 Gallagher, Kieran SR-4 4:41.68 Sam Howell (College) 04/08/16 04/09/16

6105 Gallagher, Kieran SR-4 4:42.05 Sam Howell (College) 04/08/16 04/09/16

13863 Ellington, Malia FR-1 4:56.48 Tufts Snowflake Classic 04/02/16 04/02/16

Princeton 2015

ATHLETE YEAR TIME MEET MEET DATE DATE SUBMITTED

Bird, Elizabeth SO-2 4:25.82 Princeton Quad Meet 04/11/15 04/11/15

Markovich, Alexandra SO-2 4:26.05 Princeton Open (College) 05/01/15 05/02/15

Bird, Elizabeth SO-2 4:26.08 2015 IC4A/ECAC Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/15/15 05/17/15

Bird, Elizabeth SO-2 4:28.57 2015 IC4A/ECAC Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/15/15 05/17/15

Fluehr, Kathryn JR-3 4:30.57 Princeton Open (College) 05/01/15 05/02/15

Sims, Zoe SO-2 4:31.33 Sam Howell Invitational 04/03/15 04/04/15

Markovich, Alexandra SO-2 4:31.43 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/09/15 05/10/15

Renuart, Melinda FR-1 4:31.52 Princeton Open (College) 05/01/15 05/02/15

Renuart, Melinda FR-1 4:31.68 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/09/15 05/10/15

Sims, Zoe SO-2 4:32.26 Princeton Quad Meet 04/11/15 04/11/15

Renuart, Melinda FR-1 4:33.56 2015 IC4A/ECAC Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/15/15 05/17/15

Renuart, Melinda 4:34.30 Larry Ellis (College) 04/17/15 04/19/15

Hanss, Kaitlin 4:34.78 Larry Ellis (College) 04/17/15 04/19/15

Markovich, Alexandra SO-2 4:35.52 Princeton Quad Meet 04/11/15 04/11/15

Seykora, Maria 4:36.16 Larry Ellis (College) 04/17/15 04/19/15

de La Bruyere, Emily JR-3 4:36.20 Princeton Open (College) 05/01/15 05/02/15

Chacko, Rachael SO-2 4:37.07 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/09/15 05/10/15

Renuart, Melinda FR-1 4:39.15 Princeton Quad Meet 04/11/15 04/11/15

Chacko, Rachael SO-2 4:39.71 2015 IC4A/ECAC Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/15/15 05/17/15

Seykora, Maria JR-3 4:40.61 Princeton Open (College) 05/01/15 05/02/15

Ackerman, Jessica SO-2 4:40.65 Lions Invitational 04/24/15 04/26/15

Miller, Delaney FR-1 4:41.01 Princeton Open (College) 05/01/15 05/02/15

Miller, Delaney FR-1 4:41.32 Lions Invitational 04/24/15 04/26/15

Ackerman, Jessica SO-2 4:41.56 Princeton Open (College) 05/01/15 05/02/15

Ackerman, Jessica SO-2 4:41.65 Princeton Open (College) 05/01/15 05/02/15

Hutton, Birdie JR-3 4:41.78 Lions Invitational 04/24/15 04/26/15

Miller, Delaney 4:42.54 Larry Ellis (College) 04/17/15 04/19/15

Seykora, Maria JR-3 4:42.84 Princeton Quad Meet 04/11/15 04/11/15

Hutton, Birdie JR-3 4:43.46 Princeton Open (College) 05/01/15 05/02/15

Hutton, Birdie JR-3 4:43.72 Sam Howell Invitational 04/03/15 04/04/15

Miller, Delaney FR-1 4:43.85 Princeton Open (College) 05/01/15 05/02/15

Talt, Gina SR-4 4:44.91 Larry Ellis (College) 04/17/15 04/19/15

Ackerman, Jessica 4:45.44 Larry Ellis (College) 04/17/15 04/19/15

Talt, Gina SR-4 4:45.44 Princeton Open (College) 05/01/15 05/02/15

Talt, Gina SR-4 4:45.57 Lions Invitational 04/24/15 04/26/15

Forte, Ashley FR-1 4:46.80 Sam Howell Invitational 04/03/15 04/04/15

Mackay, Kim SR-4 4:48.15 Sam Howell Invitational 04/03/15 04/04/15

Hutton, Birdie 4:48.79 Larry Ellis (College) 04/17/15 04/19/15

Hutton, Birdie JR-3 4:48.81 Princeton Quad Meet 04/11/15 04/11/15

Ackerman, Jessica SO-2 4:49.92 Sam Howell Invitational 04/03/15 04/04/15

Seykora, Maria JR-3 4:50.00 Sam Howell Invitational 04/03/15 04/04/15

Talt, Gina SR-4 4:50.41 Princeton Open (College) 05/01/15 05/02/15

Talt, Gina SR-4 4:50.55 Princeton Quad Meet 04/11/15 04/11/15

Ackerman, Jessica SO-2 4:53.75 Princeton Quad Meet 04/11/15 04/11/15

Skokowski, Rachel SR-4 4:54.74 Sam Howell Invitational 04/03/15 04/04/15

Porter, Sarah 4:56.02 Larry Ellis (College) 04/17/15 04/19/15

Talt, Gina SR-4 4:56.46 Sam Howell Invitational 04/03/15 04/04/15

Porter, Sarah JR-3 4:57.51 Princeton Open (College) 05/01/15 05/02/15

Porter, Sarah JR-3 4:59.57 Lions Invitational 04/24/15 04/26/15

Edens, Mallory FR-1 5:04.68 Princeton Quad Meet 04/11/15 04/11/15

Edens, Mallory FR-1 5:04.93 Sam Howell Invitational 04/03/15 04/04/15

Edens, Mallory 5:05.21 Larry Ellis (College) 04/17/15 04/19/15

Harvard 2015

ATHLETE YEAR TIME MEET MEET DATE DATE SUBMITTED

Renfer, Molly SR-4 4:20.92 2015 Penn Relays 04/23/15 04/27/15

Gillespie, Sarah SO-2 4:21.04 Virginia Challenge 04/17/15 04/19/15

Renfer, Molly SR-4 4:21.21 2015 New Balance Boston Twilight Meet #1 05/16/15 05/17/15

Gillespie, Sarah SO-2 4:22.23 NCAA Division I East Preliminary Round 05/28/15 05/31/15

Renfer, Molly SR-4 4:22.48 Florida Relays 04/02/15 04/09/15

Kouba, Paige JR-3 4:24.33 2015 New Balance Boston Twilight Meet #1 05/16/15 05/17/15

Renfer, Molly SR-4 4:25.09 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/09/15 05/10/15

Kouba, Paige JR-3 4:25.66 Florida Relays 04/02/15 04/09/15

Gillespie, Sarah SO-2 4:26.49 Florida Relays 04/02/15 04/09/15

Gillespie, Sarah SO-2 4:26.91 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/09/15 05/10/15

Renfer, Molly SR-4 4:27.07 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/09/15 05/10/15

Renfer, Molly SR-4 4:27.80 NCAA Division I East Preliminary Round 05/28/15 05/31/15

Gallagher, Kieran JR-3 4:35.09 2015 New Balance Boston Twilight Meet #1 05/16/15 05/17/15

Kouba, Paige JR-3 4:39.62 2015 Yale vs Harvard 04/11/15 04/12/15

Gillespie, Sarah SO-2 4:39.88 2015 Yale vs Harvard 04/11/15 04/12/15

Gallagher, Kieran JR-3 4:42.90 2015 Yale vs Harvard 04/11/15 04/12/15

Gallagher, Kieran JR-3 4:43.46 Virginia Challenge 04/17/15 04/19/15

Thomas, Lizzy FR-1 4:44.07 Sam Howell Invitational 04/03/15 04/04/15

Shwayder, Elianna FR-1 4:47.41 2015 Yale vs Harvard 04/11/15 04/12/15

Thomas, Lizzy FR-1 4:47.81 2015 Yale vs Harvard 04/11/15 04/12/15

Gillespie, Sarah SO-2 4:49.84 NCAA Division I East Preliminary Round 05/28/15 05/31/15

Angell, Sarah FR-1 4:51.66 Sam Howell Invitational 04/03/15 04/04/15

Gompers, Annika SO-2 4:54.60 Tufts Snowflake Classic 03/28/15 03/28/15

Angell, Sarah FR-1 4:56.72 Tufts Snowflake Classic 03/28/15 03/28/15

Thomas, Lizzy FR-1 4:58.77 Tufts Snowflake Classic 03/28/15 03/28/15

Gompers, Annika SO-2 4:59.98 2015 Yale vs Harvard 04/11/15 04/12/15

Princeton 2014

ATHLETE YEAR TIME MEET MEET DATE DATE SUBMITTED

Bird, Elizabeth FR-1 4:27.27 2014 ECAC-IC4A Outdoor Championships 05/16/14 05/18/14

Bird, Elizabeth FR-1 4:27.42 Larry Ellis Invitational 04/16/14 04/19/14

Curham, Megan FR-1 4:28.74 Princeton Quad Meet 04/12/14 04/12/14

Higgins, Molly SR-4 4:28.77 2014 ECAC-IC4A Outdoor Championships 05/16/14 05/18/14

Bird, Elizabeth FR-1 4:29.07 Sam Howell Invitational 04/04/14 04/06/14

Higgins, Molly SR-4 4:29.55 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/10/14 05/11/14

Fluehr, Kathryn SO-2 4:30.40 Princeton Quad Meet 04/12/14 04/12/14

Higgins, Molly SR-4 4:31.08 Princeton Quad Meet 04/12/14 04/12/14

Sims, Zoe FR-1 4:31.81 Larry Ellis Invitational 04/16/14 04/19/14

Higgins, Molly SR-4 4:32.25 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/10/14 05/11/14

Higgins, Molly SR-4 4:32.66 Larry Ellis Invitational 04/16/14 04/19/14

Seykora, Maria SO-2 4:33.01 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/10/14 05/11/14

Seykora, Maria SO-2 4:33.72 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/10/14 05/11/14

Gallagher, Clare SR-4 4:33.77 Princeton Quad Meet 04/12/14 04/12/14

Sims, Zoe FR-1 4:34.74 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/10/14 05/11/14

Seykora, Maria SO-2 4:36.13 Larry Ellis Invitational 04/16/14 04/19/14

Markovich, Alexandra FR-1 4:37.69 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/10/14 05/11/14

Sims, Zoe FR-1 4:38.03 Sam Howell Invitational 04/04/14 04/06/14

Markovich, Alexandra FR-1 4:38.41 Princeton Elite Meet (college) 05/02/14 05/03/14

Markovich, Alexandra FR-1 4:39.51 Larry Ellis Invitational 04/16/14 04/19/14

Markovich, Alexandra FR-1 4:40.05 Princeton Quad Meet 04/12/14 04/12/14

Ackerman, Jessica FR-1 4:41.41 Princeton Elite Meet (college) 05/02/14 05/03/14

Seykora, Maria SO-2 4:41.43 Sam Howell Invitational 04/04/14 04/06/14

Higgins, Molly SR-4 4:41.96 Sam Howell Invitational 04/04/14 04/06/14

Chacko, Rachael FR-1 4:42.49 Sam Howell Invitational 04/04/14 04/06/14

Gallagher, Clare SR-4 4:43.52 Princeton Elite Meet (college) 05/02/14 05/03/14

Ackerman, Jessica FR-1 4:44.33 Lions Invitational 04/25/14 04/27/14

Markovich, Alexandra FR-1 4:44.48 Lions Invitational 04/25/14 04/27/14

Markovich, Alexandra FR-1 4:48.44 Sam Howell Invitational 04/04/14 04/06/14

Cummings, Marisa SR-4 4:51.39 Princeton Quad Meet 04/12/14 04/12/14

Seykora, Maria SO-2 4:53.67 Lions Invitational 04/25/14 04/27/14

Harvard 2014

ATHLETE YEAR TIME MEET MEET DATE DATE SUBMITTED

Renfer, Molly JR-3 4:18.78 NCAA East Preliminary Round 05/29/14 06/01/14

Veidis, Erika JR-3 4:21.05 2014 New Balance Boston Twilight Meet #2 05/17/14 05/18/14

Renfer, Molly JR-3 4:21.93 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/10/14 05/11/14

Renfer, Molly JR-3 4:22.56 NCAA East Preliminary Round 05/29/14 06/01/14

Gillespie, Sarah FR-1 4:23.32 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/10/14 05/11/14

Renfer, Molly JR-3 4:24.33 Florida Relays 04/03/14 04/06/14

Gillespie, Sarah FR-1 4:24.40 NCAA East Preliminary Round 05/29/14 06/01/14

Gillespie, Sarah FR-1 4:24.73 Florida Relays 04/03/14 04/06/14

Gillespie, Sarah FR-1 4:25.11 Mt. SAC Relays 04/17/14 04/20/14

Renfer, Molly JR-3 4:25.66 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/10/14 05/11/14

Gillespie, Sarah FR-1 4:27.34 Ivy League Outdoor Track & Field Championships 05/10/14 05/11/14

Renfer, Molly JR-3 4:30.05 Yale vs Harvard 2014 04/12/14 04/13/14

Kelly, Morgan SR-4 4:31.22 Yale vs Harvard 2014 04/12/14 04/13/14

Kelly, Morgan SR-4 4:32.73 Sam Howell Invitational 04/04/14 04/06/14

Kouba, Paige SO-2 4:33.46 Yale vs Harvard 2014 04/12/14 04/13/14

Reese, Emily SR-4 4:39.38 Sam Howell Invitational 04/04/14 04/06/14

Gallagher, Kieran SO-2 4:39.83 2014 TSU Relays (College/Univ/Jr College) 03/21/14 03/23/14

Who de-committed? Juul or Devlin?

Or Goldstein?

Canadian

Not sure what's happening out wrote:

Whether the culture is bad or not, the team is, and that's reason enough to change coaches.

I think the culture is a good reason, actually a better reason, to change coaches.

This is probably what is actually going on. Nice summary.

Nope. I can promise you not.

adsfsdafasd wrote:

Not sure what's happening out wrote:

Whether the culture is bad or not, the team is, and that's reason enough to change coaches.

I think the culture is a good reason, actually a better reason, to change coaches.

Sure, but culture can clearly be argued endlessly based upon differing opinions whereas performance is much more clear cut.

Konstantopolus?

scholar ship wrote:

The team is better because the sprinters are carrying them. The distance kids were MIA during both track seasons. Injuries should not be accepted as standard operating procedure, especially 80% of the team.

And yes, there has been improvement, better recruiting of distance runners, the coaching is sub par, unless injuries are the goal.

You are right that the sprinters carried the women's team to victory at Heps Outdoor.

You're also right that there are a lot of injuries.

But, the women's team also won Heps XC for the first time since the 80's (I think). So, their distance squad, when healthy, was the best in the Ivy League.

The injuries are a cause for concern. If they persist, then Harvard will not be successful and PWD should get the boot.

But this is not the first time a D1 program had a rash of injuries. My son's team had a similar fate this year--both women and men. Heck, my son didn't compete for a year because of injury. So, I have experience with the blame, pressure, fear, etc. re: D1 running with injury.

If you read Running with the Buffaloes, the whole team was on the edge of injury the whole season. That's the reality of trying to win at the D1 level.

BTW, if you really want to push PWD out, focus on the Men's results. They suck!

Again, I don't care about PWD. I've already spent too much time trying to provide some context here. Some of you get it. Some of you will never get it. That's OK with me. Peace.

I don't care about PWD, he is a lousy coach and an even worse of a person.

And yes, the women won Heps, then disappeared, that is lousy coaching.

I agree, the men suck, the coaching there is even worse. Seems like a ship in distress, and sinking fast.

Too bad for Harvard and even worse for the Harvard athletes.

I was going through my emails and found a post thread I'd sent to my friend about the firing of former Brown coach Craig Lake (which I think is a female name). Re-reading the post, it seemed like a similar situation. The poster is "Sanjay Loopta" on the 13th page here (last page and last post as of this posting):

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3391138&page=12#ixzz1Db0fQxVF

Here's the post copied in its entirety:

"This is second hand from a friend of mine who is a recent Brown grad...

Apparently Ms. Lake was a polarizing figure. Some people really liked her, others, not so much. Like many leaders/coaches, she had something of a domineering/controlling personality. One of the ways this manifested itself was in prescribing a restrictive 1200-1500 calorie, high protein diet for members of the women's distance team. One such member did not like what my friend called "institutionalized anorexia," and refused to toe the line. Ms. Lake wasn't thrilled and sent her an email to remind her about the importance of being lean and keeping to the diet. The athlete forwarded this email to her mom and dad and that is when all hell broke loose. Again, Ms. Lake already had her detractors and that was all they needed.

In her defense, Ms. Lake is not alone in trying to manipulate her athletes. Lots of coaches try to pull this crap. What did her in was that unlike her peers, she put it in writing. She provided the administration with the smoking gun.

The rest was a mess. Some felt Ms. Lake was done wrong. Others felt that they could finally breathe. She wasn't allowed to attend practice for weeks, and obviously there was little official communication to the team why. The rumors were swirling and most people knew what was going on. Ultimately, she was allowed to resign. Given Brown's performance at outdoor Heps, where the team over-performed, it looks like they are heading in the right direction.

The lesson kids? You can be a prick, get away with it and even prosper for a long time, but don't put it in writing."

Just saw in another thread that the position is open? Anyone confirm?

Yep - announced today to alumni in email

Any details from that email? Anyone want to copy and paste it? I'm curious to see what it said.

Hello Harvard Track and Field,

I write today to communicate with our entire Track and Field team the news that Patrick Wales-Dinan will be stepping down as Associate Head Cross Country Coach and Assistant Track & Field Coach, effective June 30, 2017.

At the outset, I want to thank Patrick for the contributions he has made during his time with our program.

In the coming weeks a national search will be conducted, and I will be in touch to get your feedback regarding the qualities, characteristics, and attributes you’d like to see in our next coach. As we move forward, your input in this process will be important. Harvard Athletics and I are committed to hiring an outstanding coach that embodies our values as an Ivy League athletics program.

Moving forward, I want to reiterate that our entire track and field/cross country coaching staff is committed to the mission of education through athletics and we will continue to work hard to support all of you in your pursuit of both academic and athletic excellence.

Please continue to reach out to me if you have any questions, concerns, or feedback.

All the best,

Coach Saretsky

Will Saretsky survive?