Lois20 wrote:
Kate didn't seem to mind using every technological advantage provided to her by Nike when she was with NOP.
Exactly, my first thought reading this was "what a f*cking hypocrite". Complaining about shoes, yet accusing others of causing drama. Anyone else remember "Justice is coming?" Put up some real evidence or shut up
Exactly! Really Kara? Shoes are a problem for you now? Is there anything you don't whine and complain about? The running community doesn't need athletes who use every excuse in the book to feel sorry for themselves. Start running and competing and show us what you can really do at this point.
Sadly i agree with this. 'justice is coming', 'shoes are a problem'... guess what kara, you are not a judge or a jury. you are runner so shut up and run, or just shut up.
Whiner wrote:
Exactly! Really Kara? Shoes are a problem for you now? Is there anything you don't whine and complain about? The running community doesn't need athletes who use every excuse in the book to feel sorry for themselves. Start running and competing and show us what you can really do at this point.
I wonder how much love Kate Grace is getting from her ex flock mates.
Victorious88 wrote:
Flotrack posted an article on a RunnersWorld article and uses headline for clicks: "Kara Goucher Is Not Retired, Was 'Pretty Upset' About Nike's New Shoes"
http://www.flotrack.org/article/53563-kara-goucher-is-not-retired-was-pretty-upset-about-nike-s-new-shoes#.WNE92G8rJhEKara later called out flotrack on twitter saying "I hope it was worth it."
Discus.
Did Flotrack use... a RunnersWorld article and headline... for CLICKS???
Did LetsRun.com just use... the Flotrack article…which was about the RunnersWorld article... on Kara... for CLICKS???
Did LetsRun.com make the 'KARA CONTROVERSY' their TOP HEADLINE QUOTE ON THEIR FRONT PAGE???
What is HOT ON LETSRUN.COM NOW???
Answer:
IT IS THE KARA CONTROVERSY.
Is this a big surprise???
No.
This is completely predictable…and pathetic... by LetsRun.com…
...as usual.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/athletics/mo-farah-dr-robin-chakraverty-infusion-mp-hearing-a7639846.htmlDr. Chakra-verty and Head of Endurance at UK Athletics = BARRY FUDGE DO WHAT THEY ARE TOLD TO DO from Coach ALBERTO SALAZAR.
Coach Alberto says:
DO THE INTRAVENOUS INFUSION ON SIR MO FARAH RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
USE MY MASTER PROTOCOL AND DOSES!!!!!!!!
Oh boy Alberto, Nike, Phil Knight, Ross Tucker, Kara Goucher, RunnersWorld, FloTrackies, LetsHate.com, rojo, wejo, etc., etc., etc…!!!
...ha ha ha...
LennyZ wrote:
Differences in gear is a fact in most sports. Suits in swimming, bikes in cycling and tri, skis, bobsleds, rifles... you name it. If the gear doesn't break a rule by a governing body, then there is no issue.
After using those fast swim suits for a while the swimming governing body then made them illegal. Hopefully we don't see a lot of records set in these 'spring' shoes that will never be touched if the shoe is then made illegal.
BocaBaton wrote:
Flotrack for sure used clickbait, but Goucher's own words definitely call the shoes into question. Further, her PR person, sister and the CEO of Oiselle had all previously made public statements suggesting Kara didn't make the team because Amy and Shalane wore the 4% shoes.
Kara is smart. She knows that if she answers that question then that's the soundbite that everyone will hang on. She could have sidestepped it if she didn't want her views on the shoes to be the story.
Frankly, I think half of the reason the interview even took place was *because of* the shoes. Otherwise her update is: I was injured, I'm not injured, I'm not running anything, but I will, but I can't say where because I don't know. That could have been a blog post, but the blog post wouldn't have asked about the shoes.
Also, when she says in the article that the races wouldn't accept her- what I *think* she means is that they wouldn't pay her what she wanted. Given the level of attention NYRR has put on American 2:42 athletes in past NYC marathons, it's impossible for me to believe that Kara Goucher can't get into an elite field at a major race.
You're actually wrong on this one. She wasn't allowed on the starting line. No appearance fee, just a spot on the line, like your 2:42 example. Very Good source on this.
as someone who's run in the same circles, literally and figuratively, as the gouchers, I don't want to add to the "pile-on." However, her comments are so disingenuous that I feel compelled to compile this entire thread into bullet points of the reasonable and/or accurate comments.
-From the point of interest of a serious runner, the two main takeaways from the RW piece was : 1) she's concerned about the new nike shoes and 2) she still wants to run at least one more competitive (maybe more?) marathon.
-She has stated that she left it ALL out there on race day. Therefore, the poster stating she was only close b/c shalane cratered is correct.
-She is the queen of ambiguity. We all have "that" FB friend who makes the ambiguous post, lamenting some travail. People pile on saying "I hope everything is OK!" and *maybe* the person clarifies (usually not much) hours or days later. It's truly pathetic. This is no different on Kara's part.
Not a single race in America would deny her entry. *desired* appearance fee? most likely they would deny that, but apples/oranges to "not letting me race." Think John Hancock is worried she might upstage Jordan's debut? bwuhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. not a chance, will never happen unless JH has to carry 45lbs on her back. Even then she might take KG.
-KG suddenly "found" her conscience well after enjoying the fruits of NOP resources. Very difficult to take someone seriously in those situations. Similar to Fleshman decrying AS, yet going to him for her "breathing problems." Disingenuous to the limit.
-Yes, there are plenty of KG haters out there. Ambiguous and disingenuous comments like these give those haters plenty of ammo. KG, here's a pro tip: don't make ridiculous comments, then your "haters" won't have anything to "hate" on.
-Top Level v Potential is spot on. KG is clearly above "potential," but she's also clearly below "top level." Hasay is currently AT top level, period, debut or not. If KG chooses to show some fitness, then perhaps she can demand TL prices. Until she does, she can't whine, period.
Finally, some conjecture of my own, albeit from an educated perspective.
KG would not have hesitated ONE SECOND before using these shoes. Let's say she stayed w/ JS at bowerman, she would have used these at the soonest possible moment. I would wager a decades pay on that, full stop.
I spent over a decade in the industry, and I honestly cannot fathom this to be true. As outlined above, the only domestic spring marathon is obviously boston, and they CANNOT be worried about her stealing JH's thunder, as JH has shown she should be in contention for the win. KG hasn't shown that for years. Sorry but I can't buy this without some actual confirmation (I know you can't reveal sources, I get that...but somebody else could do it in a roundabout way).
found wrote:
BocaBaton wrote:...it's impossible for me to believe that Kara Goucher can't get into an elite field at a major race.
You're actually wrong on this one. She wasn't allowed on the starting line. No appearance fee, just a spot on the line, like your 2:42 example. Very Good source on this.
stryker drilling wrote:
And not surprising a thread calling out a terrible article from Flotrack has turned into an opportunity for the haters to bash Kara.
The loser/s (not sure it is more than one) love to sit around doing nothing for an opportunity to complain about KG. They don't care what the original topic was about!
debated using my real name wrote:
I spent over a decade in the industry, and I honestly cannot fathom this to be true. As outlined above, the only domestic spring marathon is obviously boston, and they CANNOT be worried about her stealing JH's thunder, as JH has shown she should be in contention for the win. KG hasn't shown that for years. Sorry but I can't buy this without some actual confirmation (I know you can't reveal sources, I get that...but somebody else could do it in a roundabout way).
found wrote:You're actually wrong on this one. She wasn't allowed on the starting line. No appearance fee, just a spot on the line, like your 2:42 example. Very Good source on this.
the good source is me
you are wrong again
If true then why wouldn't she of said "Boston told me no"?
I'll tell you why. Because it didn't happen.
of said
Rupp Tears wrote:
Rupp has been crying knowing the jig is up. Salazar cries on the inside. Rupp on the outside. They find comfort by applying androgel to each other.
Ha! Comedy gold right there.
More often than not wrote:
If true then why wouldn't she of said "Boston told me no"?
I'll tell you why. Because it didn't happen.
No one cares.
Will Letsrun.com get kidnapped in Kenya???
That is a better story for LetsControversy.com
click me
Thanks Adam. Isn't there some babysitting to be done?
my real name = rojo wrote:
the good source is me
you are wrong again
deer adam goucher. wrote:
Thanks Adam. Isn't there some babysitting to be done?
my real name = rojo wrote:the good source is me
you are wrong again
my identical twin was a lot faster than me.
It is not fair.
Superior Identical Twins (SIT®) SHOULD have times that are fairly close to each other…like Zane and Jake Robertson have half-marathon PRs of 59:47 and 60:00.
Superior "run genes discovered by Yanni Pitsiladis" may be involved.
Non-superior "run genes" in wejo and rojo manifested as non-superior running performance.
Oh well.
What are the half-marathon PRs of wejo and rojo???
Are they close to each other???
Are they both really slow???
Answer:
Yes…but rojo was a lot slower.
rojo is still a lot slower than weejo
Question:
Does rojo have enough ransom money for possible LetsRun.com kidnappings in Kenya???
stryker drilling wrote:
And not surprising a thread calling out a terrible article from Flotrack has turned into an opportunity for the haters to bash Kara.
Kara, the world's biggest self promoter, with nothing to promote. can't be bashed often enough
What possible reason does Boston have to deny Kara a spot?
The masses love her. It seems foolish not to have her on that starting line.
you need to get out more wrote:
stryker drilling wrote:And not surprising a thread calling out a terrible article from Flotrack has turned into an opportunity for the haters to bash Kara.
Kara, the world's biggest self promoter, with nothing to promote. can't be bashed often enough
It's in the best interest of an athlete and their sponsor to be self-promoting, which is why the bashing is so comical. But keep lashing out and showing how little you know!