kornholer IS a dork. i bet HE lives in his mother's basement. lance armstrong is an animal. a one-nutted animal to be sure--but an animal nonetheless (and a f***in' TEXAN) and he's shtuppin' rockstars and that's what it's all about in the end, my friends. i bet kornholer never gets rockstars. in fact, i know he doesn't.
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reggie dixon wrote:
kornholer IS a dork. i bet HE lives in his mother's basement. lance armstrong is an animal. a one-nutted animal to be sure--but an animal nonetheless (and a f***in' TEXAN) and he's shtuppin' rockstars and that's what it's all about in the end, my friends. i bet kornholer never gets rockstars. in fact, i know he doesn't.
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Thus the proof that there is a huge difference in being able to read, and being able to comprehend what one reads. Read the piece again, try to comprehend what he is saying.
I would NEVER have thought Hamilton was doping.
He passed the same tests Lance did.
UNTIL, he decided to go to the Olympics, lance did not.
Were they tested the CONTENTS of the blood, not just the hemocrit level, they dont test the contents in the tour.
ANYWAY, Hamilton was doping, and if someone like hamilton needs to do that to be compitive.
f*** the whole thing.
Madein_82 wrote:
I would NEVER have thought Hamilton was doping.
He passed the same tests Lance did.
UNTIL, he decided to go to the Olympics, lance did not.
Were they tested the CONTENTS of the blood, not just the hemocrit level, they dont test the contents in the tour.
ANYWAY, Hamilton was doping, and if someone like hamilton needs to do that to be compitive.
f*** the whole thing.
You are moron Dude. Firstly, Tyler hasn't been found guilty yet.
Secondly If he is, it will because he tested positive at the Tour of Spain NOT the olympics.
Lastly The blood test they used at the Tour of Spain was also used at the tour of France. In fact they had been testing the test all year and had actually warned tyler. The tour also test for everything imaginable in the CONTENTS of the blood. The tour takes the winner of the stage, all the jerseys and some number of other randoms and test for both pee and blood.in In 2001 (or 2002) they found trace amounts of a cortical steriod in lances blood from crotch cream for christ sake!
Why do people who are just full of thier own shit pretend they know something?
hes a hard workin, dedicated committed and inspiring US bad ass,why not give mcgwire or bonds? Lance won the dam tour de france 6 times!! thats why!! As for the yellow wrist bands- people will do what ever the can to help in the fight against cancer.
Actually it's a good piece. Well written and true. Hard for me to say it because I think Kornheiser is a dork.
Seems like quite a good, well written piece. Why do you guys think he's a dork?
Kornheiser say: We cling even more tightly to Armstrong because we've had to give up on so many other big-time athletes.
No, that's not why we 'cling' to LA.
K say: one quarter of Oly sprinters 'get tossed' for positive tests.
Exaggeration degrades and trivializes the point here.
K say: We want to believe LA is an authentic hero. (And) LA is about hope and why we pull for him.
There's something to this. I'd say, we want to believe he's clean. What he overcame, cancer, is certainly not lost in any look at his career accomplishments.
Kornh sorta wanders about in his piece. I'm not sure what his theme/point is.
We aren't blind to what goes in the sporting world and all of us that admire LA hope want to believe he's achieved minus performance-enhancing drugs. I'm not naive...what he's done w/6 TDF wins in a row stretches out possibilities in ways that inspire & make us wonder what led to them. With suspicion at every turn, I hope history proves him clean.
Seems to me an awful lot of people think Lance is very suspect. I don't know of many who cling to him. I think I know of more who think he is a doper and simply ahead of the game.
Is his talent and dedication so great he can still beat talented, hard workers who use drugs?
We like Lance because he does something outside of sports.
we cling to lance because he is one of the most tested athletes in the world. until he is tested positive, which can happen (hamilton, etc.) then he is clean.
zora_d_1991 wrote:
we cling to lance because he is one of the most tested athletes in the world. until he is tested positive, which can happen (hamilton, etc.) then he is clean.
Then surely you believe Marion to be clean, right? Doubtful that many track athletes have been tested more frequently than she has.
If Armstrong is on PEDs...guess what? Big hoot.
As someone who alleged Armstrong used PEDs said that Armstrong said (he said-hesaid)...it's not a big surprise because everyone in cycling is using them. Replace the word 'cycling' with 'professional sports' and there is your current state in the world.
comparing armstrong and jones is like apples and oranges. there is just not the same push being made to hide endurance boosters like there is with steroid based strength drugs. lance isn't on "the clear". if he was on anything it would be some sort of red blood cell booster or even good ol' natural blood doping. cyclists get busted for epo all the time. jones is a sprinter. she has different needs from her drugs. and specific connections to victor conte. lance has no such thing. unless you count dr. ferrari, which he acknowledges.
Jan - most people think LA is a god and an inspiration. You must run in a tight, cynical circle.
As for you, stop posting and get back to your warehouse party. I hear there is some really potent E floating around on the dance floor. You'll need two pacifiers to keep from grinding your teeth off.
Personally, I think Tony Kornheiser - as well as a butt-ton of other pundits, journalists and sportswriters - will never have even the faintest appreciation for what guys like Lance Armsrong do until he gets on a bicycle and rides 100 miles or more a day (flat or mountain, I could care less) for 21 days.
Do I think Lance is arrogant, self-centered and cocky? I think his upbringing says a lot about his approach to life. He's pretty much gotten where he was at with minimal assistance. He appears exceedingly loyal and grateful to the people who stood behind him when he was ill and rehabilitating and could pretty much give a rat's butt about the myriad of people who try to use him to further their own agenda. While I'm bummed about his marriage going south, it's not a judgement call against him.
Do I think Lance used PED? Not a chance.
I don't buy into the Nike-spun mythology of Lance, but I respect him because of the sacrifices he has made to get to - and back to - where he is now. Remember, this dude was a world champion before he got the cancer...means he kicked butt in a one-day race that lasts eight hours. After the cancer he kicked butt in a three-week-plus classic race.
He's pretty much a genuine guy. A pissed-off, T-shirt-wearing, rock star-dating, etc., etc., kind of guy. Of course, that's the kind of guy who would watch Kornheiser and agree that Kornheiser is full of crap.
Javaman,
I'm not really sure I understand your point here. Is it that because Kornheiser doesn't appreciate the training and pain it takes to race the TDF, he's not qualified to say that we are more protective of LA than we are of MJones and others? It's absolutely true that Lance has a bullet-proof sheen about him. If the same charges, albeit shaky, were leveled at any other professional athlete, you and most of the fans in the US would cast all of their performances in doubt.
reggie dixon wrote:
a one-nutted animal to be sure
He's a NO nutted animal!! But he's still a badass.
post of the day:
"Seems to me an awful lot of people think Lance is very suspect. I don't know of many who cling to him. I think I know of more who think he is a doper and simply ahead of the game.
Is his talent and dedication so great he can still beat talented, hard workers who use drugs?
We like Lance because he does something outside of sports."
-very well said, jan. his tight cynical circles are likely people who are much more involved in the sport of international cycling than blind and naive adulation by folks who know nothing more than what they feel in their heart or read in the news.
You guys who are ripping on Kornheiser have no idea what you're talking about. Disagree with him perhaps on anything, but that guy is one of the best sports journalists in this country. Sure he likes to go off tangent and talk about Crispy Cremes or something else sometimes, but that guy can write extrememly well. You don't get to be a columnist at The Washington Post if you can't write well. He has a long career writing for some great papers, and his TV stuff is just for fun and more money. He's definitely far from an idiot or a dork.