Pursuit of 1:50. Update #1

Take advantage of your youth. The older one gets, the more difficult it is to improve raw speed. Since you are a USA runner, you may not feel confident in your 400 metres speed. You may feel there are many 50 second high school 400 metres athletes. If you were a Kenyan runner, you would be a 400/800 athlete. I assume you are one of the four fastest 400 metres athletes in your high school. You'll be fresher for 4 x 400 metres if you race 800 metres as opposed to racing 1600 metres. Focusing on getting your 400 metres time, sub-48.75 before you graduate high school is more important than logging miles in an attempt to race sub-4:15 1600 metres.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Alh359 wrote:

A troll always comes in to ruin a good thread.

OP has a coach. Not a good thread. Revenge for coach.

Revenge for coach? What? Yes I have a coach.

donkey lips wrote:

Jayordon wrote:

I thought you were a guy on my team at first. You have the exact same pr's as him. Workouts are different though haha. Gonna follow this thread.

You post too much information about yourself. I know who you are from just 2 of your posts. You should be more careful.

lol I don't care if you know who I am. Just keep it to yourself. I feel like posting on here just to get some feedback on my training and racing. I'm in no danger if anyone knows who I am.

Runnerdnerd wrote:

Good luck splits guy in your 1600. Do follow up, I think at least a handful of us are interested in hearing about it.

Didn't go as well as I wanted. Pace wasn't too quick early. Took the lead with 500 to go and ran 4:29 for the win. I should've gone earlier if I wanted a faster time.

donkey lips wrote:

Jayordon wrote:

I thought you were a guy on my team at first. You have the exact same pr's as him. Workouts are different though haha. Gonna follow this thread.

You post too much information about yourself. I know who you are from just 2 of your posts. You should be more careful.

Doesn't matter much to me honestly. If someone wants to stalk my times then they are welcome to. I'm not posting where my house is or my phone number or crap like that.

Splits Guy wrote:

donkey lips wrote:

You post too much information about yourself. I know who you are from just 2 of your posts. You should be more careful.

lol I don't care if you know who I am. Just keep it to yourself. I feel like posting on here just to get some feedback on my training and racing. I'm in no danger if anyone knows who I am.

I don't know who you are, OP. You haven't said enough to figure that out. I'm talking to Jayordon here, who has brought his teammate into the conversation as well (who is also easier to figure out than Jayordon). Teammate may not appreciate that.

Youngsters need to be careful online. I'm relatively harmless, but there are people on these boards who might use that information against you.

Jayordon wrote:

donkey lips wrote:

You post too much information about yourself. I know who you are from just 2 of your posts. You should be more careful.

Doesn't matter much to me honestly. If someone wants to stalk my times then they are welcome to. I'm not posting where my house is or my phone number or crap like that.

Ah there you are. Like I just said, you did bring your teammate into this, and he might not like it. It's not just about you.

And once you have a name, age, and city, the rest can be figured out relatively easily. There's also social media, etc. All I'm trying to do is warn you. If you were my kid I absolutely would not be okay with it.

donkey lips wrote:

Jayordon wrote:

Doesn't matter much to me honestly. If someone wants to stalk my times then they are welcome to. I'm not posting where my house is or my phone number or crap like that.

Ah there you are. Like I just said, you did bring your teammate into this, and he might not like it. It's not just about you.

And once you have a name, age, and city, the rest can be figured out relatively easily. There's also social media, etc. All I'm trying to do is warn you. If you were my kid I absolutely would not be okay with it.

Mmm thanks. I doubt that my teammate would care though, there's no reason for anybody to target him.

Once I was able to hit high 47s low 48s every time out, running 1:49 - 1:51 even without competition wasn't much of an issue. Get your 400 time down and if you've put in the miles in the off season you'll surprise yourself.

If I've only ever run 50 flat what should I do to get me to 47-48? Lifting? Hills? Just faster speed work?

Pure 800 guy here.I went from 51 to 49 but put on 10 pounds lifting heavy and scaled back to 30 miles a week. Then WOOSH all of it out the door during cross country.

Splits Guy wrote:

If I've only ever run 50 flat what should I do to get me to 47-48? Lifting? Hills? Just faster speed work?

You ask about training for 800 metres. Physiologists David Martin, PhD and Owen Anderson, PhD. have independently come to the conclusion that the 400 metres is the greatest predictor of 800 metres success. [Olympic events. Obviously, in theory the 600 metres may have greater success of prediction. As we know, the 600 metres is not raced by everyone, so there is not enough data on 600 metres.] Running more than 30 miles a week of pure road mileage will not aid your 400 metres PB. You have a coach. It's not about just adding 400/800 training to your regime. Sit down with your coach. You most likely can help your team and help yourself the most by being a 400/800 specialist. Go back and race the 1500 metres/one mile your junior year in college.

Splits Guy wrote:

If I've only ever run 50 flat what should I do to get me to 47-48? Lifting? Hills? Just faster speed work?

I don't think you need to change anything. The programme you have with your coach has got you to 50.x so just trust that you will continue to develop.

Splits Guy placing his training and racing on this sight is asking everyone for opinions. IF Splits Guy were racing 4:21 to 4:29, 1600 metres with 400/800 personal bests of: 54/1:59, I would say: Don't change anything also. The way Splits Guy is training is a sound way for a high school lad to train for 1600 metres. Splits Guy's training for 400 metres is NOT optimal. Splits Guy is not a 1600 metres runner.

Are you aiming for 1:50 or 1:52?

What are your current PBs and SB times as we stand in march 2017?

Middle94 wrote:

Are you aiming for 1:50 or 1:52?

What are your current PBs and SB times as we stand in march 2017?

Aiming for 1:52 this season, 1:50 somewhere down the road. I put 1:50 as the thread title cause it sounds better haha.

My PRs are 50.2, 1:54, 4:21 (mile)

This season Ive run one 800 and one 1600. The 800 was run completely solo in 1:59 with splits of 60, 59 and was not an "all out" effort. The 1600 was in a race where I just wanted to win and run 4:2x. I ran 4:29 taking the lead 500 meters out and closing decently but still not "all out."

I had about the same pr's as you after my junior year of high school - 50.4 and 4:21 mile. Senior year I ran 1:52 on a relay split, so its definitely possible for you. I got there by just staying consistent with my training. Often times its the little things like sleep that are key in getting faster. Best of luck

Thanks man!

Splits Guy wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

OP has a coach. Not a good thread. Revenge for coach.

Revenge for coach? What? Yes I have a coach.

You had "a" coach, now you have lots of coaches.