So I don't know how common of a problem this is, but I just can't do well in the 3200 compared to my 1600/5K times (I'm still pretty young so my times aren't the fastest) but I can run a 1600 in 5:26 and a 5K in 18:59 but I can only muster a 11:51 in the 3200. What do y'all think the problem is?
Don't feel bad. My PBs:
16 5:14
32 11:30
5k 19:45
One is not like the other...
None of you should feel bad.
1600: 5:09
32: 11:59
5k:19:41
1600/800 guy wrote:
Don't feel bad. My PBs:
16 5:14
32 11:30
5k 19:45
One is not like the other...
I just don't understand how my 5K and 16 times are actually decent but then my 32 is completely awful 🤷â€â™€ï¸
ConfusedHSRunner wrote:
So I don't know how common of a problem this is, but I just can't do well in the 3200 compared to my 1600/5K times (I'm still pretty young so my times aren't the fastest) but I can run a 1600 in 5:26 and a 5K in 18:59 but I can only muster a 11:51 in the 3200. What do y'all think the problem is?
My first guess would be pacing, but without know your splits in each even that is just conjecture.
Do you know your splits in each event when you set your PR?
Confuzzled wrote:
ConfusedHSRunner wrote:So I don't know how common of a problem this is, but I just can't do well in the 3200 compared to my 1600/5K times (I'm still pretty young so my times aren't the fastest) but I can run a 1600 in 5:26 and a 5K in 18:59 but I can only muster a 11:51 in the 3200. What do y'all think the problem is?
My first guess would be pacing, but without know your splits in each even that is just conjecture.
Do you know your splits in each event when you set your PR?
1600: 77 82 85 82 are the 400 splits of my 16
I only know the 16 splits of my 32 which were: 5:58 first mile 5:53 second.
And I don't know my 5K splits but I'm sure my coach has them so I'll ask him
None of you can feel bad because I have run the worst 3200 tie compared to my 1600 and 5k times. I am worse than you so you must not feel bad
ConfusedHSRunner wrote:
So I don't know how common of a problem this is, but I just can't do well in the 3200 compared to my 1600/5K times (I'm still pretty young so my times aren't the fastest) but I can run a 1600 in 5:26 and a 5K in 18:59 but I can only muster a 11:51 in the 3200. What do y'all think the problem is?
It's pretty common for HS types and the answer is, it's all in your brain... I assume your 5k time is from XC, no? ... stop overthinking the 3200 and simply concentrate.
answer... wrote:
ConfusedHSRunner wrote:So I don't know how common of a problem this is, but I just can't do well in the 3200 compared to my 1600/5K times (I'm still pretty young so my times aren't the fastest) but I can run a 1600 in 5:26 and a 5K in 18:59 but I can only muster a 11:51 in the 3200. What do y'all think the problem is?
It's pretty common for HS types and the answer is, it's all in your brain... I assume your 5k time is from XC, no? ... stop overthinking the 3200 and simply concentrate.
Yeah my 5K time was from XC. And maybe I am over thinking it I'm trying to negative split in it because that's what I do for the 5K.
I would bet you lack testicular fortitude
TrackBot! VDOT 5:26 1600 m
TrackBot! VDOT 11:51 3200 m
TrackBot! VDOT 18:59 5000 m
VDOT for 5:26 1.6km: 53.8
Equivalent race times based on VDOT:
Marathon: 02:59:18
Half marathon: 01:25:56
15K: 00:59:41
10K: 00:38:49
5K: 00:18:43
3Mi: 00:18:02
2Mi: 00:11:41
3200m: 00:11:37
3K: 00:10:50
1Mi: 00:05:28
1600m: 00:05:26
1500m: 00:05:04
VDOT for 11:51 3.2km: 52.6
Equivalent race times based on VDOT:
Marathon: 03:02:45
Half marathon: 01:27:38
15K: 01:00:52
10K: 00:39:35
5K: 00:19:05
3Mi: 00:18:24
2Mi: 00:11:55
3200m: 00:11:51
3K: 00:11:03
1Mi: 00:05:35
1600m: 00:05:33
1500m: 00:05:10
VDOT for 18:59 5.0km: 52.9
Equivalent race times based on VDOT:
Marathon: 03:01:52
Half marathon: 01:27:12
15K: 01:00:34
10K: 00:39:23
5K: 00:19:00
3Mi: 00:18:18
2Mi: 00:11:52
3200m: 00:11:47
3K: 00:10:59
1Mi: 00:05:33
1600m: 00:05:31
1500m: 00:05:08
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Those are pretty close. Although most high school kids do better with lower distances.
TrackBot wrote:
VDOT for 5:26 1.6km: 53.8
VDOT for 11:51 3.2km: 52.6
VDOT for 18:59 5.0km: 52.9
I see this kind of post all the time. I don't get why all the enthusiasm about non-standard events like 1600 and 3200. I know you'll say "we're in high school", but so was I and I'd never heard of these events at the time. Nor did my running friends ever mention PRs for them or training for them. No one outside of US HSers cares about these events, so why do all of you? When I was in HS I thought about commonly-run universally accepted distances like 10km. So 'being in high school' is not sufficient to make weird made-up distances attractive. Is this a modern thing? Like I said, when I was that age I'd never even heard 1600 or 3200 mentioned. Nor 9km. No one cares about or talks about 9km. I realize that and realized that in my teens.
Someone Explain Please!
ConfusedHSRunner wrote:
Confuzzled wrote:My first guess would be pacing, but without know your splits in each even that is just conjecture.
Do you know your splits in each event when you set your PR?
1600: 77 82 85 82 are the 400 splits of my 16
I only know the 16 splits of my 32 which were: 5:58 first mile 5:53 second.
And I don't know my 5K splits but I'm sure my coach has them so I'll ask him
Were you exhausted at the end of that 3200? You negative split it. So I assume you ran the last few laps faster. You may just need to go out a little faster. You should be able to run around 11:30 - which is 5:45 pace - or about 86 per lap. You were running 89's - just a little faster than your 5k.
Of course, it's also possible your 5k was on a favorable course. Was in Track or XC? Was it windy? Are your other times close or is it an outlier and you really run 19:45 most of the time?
Did you run the 3200 on a track? Indoor or outdoor? For me, running 3200 on an indoor track was always frustrating because it's 16 laps and going around... and around... and around so much is mentally hard. Running outside is easier and for me faster because of the change of scenery. Also, tracks (especially indoor ones) have pretty harsh curves, with slows you down
Trackbot! VDOT 17:54 5k
VDOT for 17:54 5km: 56.7
Equivalent race times based on VDOT:
Marathon: 02:51:27
Half marathon: 01:22:05
15K: 00:57:01
10K: 00:37:06
5K: 00:17:53
3Mi: 00:17:14
2Mi: 00:11:09
3200m: 00:11:05
3K: 00:10:20
1Mi: 00:05:13
1600m: 00:05:11
1500m: 00:04:50
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Times seem pretty in line with each other.
! Vdot 5:26 1600m
You are afflicted with fastslow shortlong morbus. Once you start running the 8k and quit running the 1600, your 3200 will improve.