Be careful what wish for: daughter accepted to Ivy

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Ivies suck wrote:

The Ivies are now dominated with lower class students because they have made it free for them. Some of the ivies are bragging that they have turned caucasians into the minority by lowering standards for people of color at the same time charging entirely based on the ability to pay. Anyone in the upper middle class has been priced out of the market so you only have the weirdo spoiled liberal rich kids and the poor going to the ivies.

That's completely false.

"At 38 colleges in America, including five in the Ivy League – Dartmouth, Princeton, Yale, Penn and Brown – more students came from the top 1 percent of the income scale than from the entire bottom 60 percent."

Discrimination was the law of the land until it started affecting the privileged demographic. Now the once-privileged (and still privileged) individuals decry affirmative action as discriminatory.

I go to school with a guy that is being actively recruited by an Ivy League school for football. They told him to write down that his parents make $80k/yr, and he would have a free ticket in the door(provided that is GPA is 3.0+). I’ve told him that he should go with that school, unless another Ivy League school with a better football team decides to offer him. I’ve told him to 100% go Ivy League, unless he is able to go Power 5 D1. He’s told me that he would automatically go to a school like Liberty if they offered him which baffles me. This is a guy who has a snowball’s chance of hell of getting into even good state schools on academic standing, yet he is willing to pass up a free Ivy League education and earning potential for a flashy uniform.

True. Only the upper 1% and the poor. They priced out mainstream America. I was refuting the point that everyone is upper class at the ivies.

If you live in New York state, she might reconsider the sociology major and try a more traditional pre-med track via the Agriculture & Life Sciences College at Cornell at an in-state tuition rate.

And she might consider the options identified here:

https://students-residents.aamc.org/applying-medical-school/article/medical-schools-offering-combined-undergraduatemd-/

bleu wrote:

I'm not Asian but if some kid has worked their entire life to go to an Ivy they deserve it be accepted. Affirmative Action has ruined our country,

A friend told me that it doesn't matter if some our hurt by affirmative action because it's for the good of the whole. Sure unless your the person who is hit by the reverse discrimination.

Sad, very sad.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/04/us/harvard-asian-admission.html

Not true.

The Asian & Asian American demographic is heavily represented, if not actually all out dominant at Ivy's and especially in STEM majors at Ivys.

But guess what? The average SAT score for those not gaining acceptance at Harvard was higher than the average SAT of those accepted. They don't want just the best students, academically.

The Ivy's are private and endowed with Billion$.

They may take the best sculptor with a high SAT because they want to. Their choice, regardless if 20 others had better AP test scores.

They may want the best Inuit high jumper from Alaska if they determine so. Their choice.

No matter what, better have 1350 and 3.7 or higher at bare minimum and THEN be the "best" at something.

Straight As, perfect 1600, perfect APPROVAL test scores doesn't guaruntee you get in.

Don't dismiss the fact that the billions in endowment funds come from those legacy families funding the whole thing. They rightfully should get legacy consideration if their family's have given millions. It's not public money. (Except Cornell, but that doesn't count?)

Interesting discussion. So many good recommendations. It was really interesting to read all this stuff.

We paid the full amount to send my daughter to Notre Dame and now we're paying the portion of her Duke Law costs that aren't covered by a scholarship. I'm 59 and my wife is 63 so we are close enough to retirement that spending $400K on education will have to hurt our retirement income but we don't want our child burdened with loans coming out of Law School feeling trapped by a job in Big Law just to make loan payments. The ironic thing is she could have gotten into Law School from the U.Illinois for quite a bit less

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We paid the full amount to send my daughter to Notre Dame and now we're paying the portion of her Duke Law costs that aren't covered by a scholarship. I'm 59 and my wife is 63 so we are close enough to retirement that spending $400K on education will have to hurt our retirement income but we don't want our child burdened with loans coming out of Law School feeling trapped by a job in Big Law just to make loan payments. The ironic thing is she could have gotten into Law School from the U.Illinois for quite a bit less

One of my daughters is looking at public & private colleges/universities. I was financially ruined by my divorce versus her mother. I cannot afford private tuition. I can pay in full in-state public university tuition. The lifetime earning power by University of IL alumni versus University of Chicago or Northwestern University alumni often is not great enough to justify the differences in tuition. France took over private colleges & universities and either made them public or closed them. This Libertarian model in U.S. only is to the benefit of top 1%.

If you are financially ruined, her tuition at Northwestern or U of Chicago would be free. Even if you are middle class with little saved, it will be much cheaper than University of Illinois.

Scholar Expert wrote:

If you are financially ruined, her tuition at Northwestern or U of Chicago would be free. Even if you are middle class with little saved, it will be much cheaper than University of Illinois.

If divorce is adversarial, one side may be damaged financially and by default the other side is not necessarily damaged. My ex-wife, my daughter's mother is not financially ruined but I have no expectations my ex-wife will pay college tuition. So, not necessarily free tuition at U of Chicago or Northwestern. These three universities were hypothetical examples I used. My daughter is weighing public universities similar to U of IL and private colleges/universities similar to Chicago & Northwestern. We'll see.

Not possible. Never will a husband be broke and the wife so well off that U of Chicago will cost more than University of Illinois. So you are either in way better shape than you are willing to admit or your child can attend Northwestern at a great price.

Scholar Expert wrote:

Not possible. Never will a husband be broke and the wife so well off that U of Chicago will cost more than University of Illinois. So you are either in way better shape than you are willing to admit or your child can attend Northwestern at a great price.

Not only are you a self-proclaimed scholarship expert, you are a family law expert also. My ex-wife is re-married. As I stated, we will see.

Send her to Slippery Rock.

I see your problem. You are a Bernie supporter.

LOLs wrote:

Discrimination was the law of the land until it started affecting the privileged demographic. Now the once-privileged (and still privileged) individuals decry affirmative action as discriminatory.

This is correct.