Just in case anyone wondered...
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Just in case anyone wondered...
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
January20: "I know more about viruses than anyone."
January 22: "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. It's going to be just fine."
February 2: "We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."
February 24: "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA... Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"
February 25: "CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus."
February 25: "I think that's a problem that's going to go away... They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we're very close to a vaccine."
February 26: "The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero."
February 26: "We're going very substantially down, not up."
February 27: "One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear."
February 28: "We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical."
March 2: "You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?"
March 2: "A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they're happening very rapidly."
March 4: "If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work â" some of them go to work, but they get better."
March 5: "I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work."
March 5: "The United States has, as of now, only 129 cases and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!"
March 6: "I think we're doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down⦠a tremendous job at keeping it down."
March 6: "Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They're there. And the tests are beautiful... the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good."
March 6: "I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it... Every one of these doctors said, 'How do you know so much about this?' Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president."
March 6: "I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault."
March 8: "We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus."
March 9: "This blindsided the world."
March 13: "National emergency, two big words."
March 13: "When you compare what we've done to other areas of the world, it's pretty incredible."
March 13: "Five million (tests) within a month... I doubt we'll need anything near that."
March 13: "I don't take responsibility at all."
March 14. "It's something that nobody expected⦠it's one of those things that happened. It's nobody's fault."
March 15: "This is a very contagious virus. It's incredible. But it's something that we have tremendous control over"
March 17: "I have always known this is a real, this is a pandemic. I've felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic... I've always viewed it as very serious."
March 19: "If we had an honest media in this country, our country would be an even greater place."
March 19: "It could have been stopped, could have been stopped pretty easily if we had known, if everybody had known about it... Nobody knew there'd be a pandemic... of this proportion."
March 25: "Nobody could have ever seen something like this coming."
March 25: "It's hard not be happy with the job we're doing, that I can tell you."
March 26: "I don't believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators. You go into major hospitals sometimes, and they'll have two ventilators. And now all of a sudden they're saying, 'Can we order 30,000 ventilators?"
March 26: "It can't be managed by the federal government."
March 27: "We've had great success over the past month."
March 27: "You can call it a germ. You can call it a flu. You can call it a virus.... I'm not sure anybody even knows what it is."
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Millions of Americans vote for a support a pathological liar with, apparently, a tenuous grasp on reality, and a dominating terror of criticism. What does that say about the US?
Flagpole wrote:
Just in case anyone wondered...
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Mueller said Trump was innocent
Flagpole wrote:
Just in case anyone wondered...
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Mueller never
?pole forever
Flagpole wrote:
Dan Kahneman wrote:
Let me explain why I feel trump has a slight edge over Biden and it has to do with trumps personality disorder. For trump's entire life he has had a vigilance about blaming others for everything. It is now the way is brain is wired, it's the way he naturally thinks. And as part of that process he attacks in anyway he thinks is effective. This isn't something he chooses to do its what he automatically does so He should be good at it.
He might be a very poor business man but he is a successful conman. He is quick with a lie and in his lifetime of conning he had learned howc to tell the lie as if it's the truth.
But the debate will turn into two old men yelling at each other during the debate. Biden will not be like fellow republicans or Hillary in the debates. Biden can mix it up pretty good. Expect a very low brow rude debate.
End result will be supporters of each candidate thinking their candidate won. But slight edge to trump because questions will be irrelevant to him and the only way he can think is to blame others. That might be useful in a debate.
Hmm...I agree with the conman aspect of Trump. Even with that though, other than winning the Presidency (which admittedly is quite a thing), he didn't perpetrate his cons well enough to make any of those failed businesses successful.
I don't agree with your debate comment though. Biden can beat Trump in a debate. I will agree with agip on this though -- I think it might be a very good idea to NOT debate Trump. Has nothing to do with hiding or any nonsense like that. It just has to do with limiting Trump's voice at this point. Trump will lie. He will misconstrue. Just no reason to give a national spotlight to that. When a fool is yelling, best to walk away and not give him a microphone.
Biden must debate Trump. It he doesn't it will give credence to the Republican talking point of Biden having dementia. And will they pound Biden on that.
I would listen to a trump/Biden debate and see Biden a clear winner. Not sure everyone would see it like me. Trump is good at spinning his own reality and then arguing that reality. Let's be honest, many people are not very discerning regarding truth as proved by the fact trump was elected president.
But in the end the debate will move few of any votes.
david45 wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Just in case anyone wondered...
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Mueller said Trump was innocent
ah sarcasm. Doesn't work on the internet, so I'll clarify your post.
Mueller didn't at all say Trump was innocent.
Mueller said he would have said Trump was innocent...if they knew Trump were innocent. But they didn't find that.
In fact, they found a campaign that happily cooperated with Russians and that Trump committed multiple instances of obstruction of justice.
Flagpole wrote:
agip wrote:
um, for someone who is openly known to be a fraud, to get bankers to loan him money and get customers to patronize his businesses...makes you a very good salesman.
All Trump has is his brand..it's ridiculous to say he was bad at developing a brand/selling. He's brilliant at it. Just watch his rallies. Trump is convincing people he loathes...to send him money and vote for him. And they do.
He made a vast fortune selling himself on 'the apprentice.'
All of you seem to be confusing 'management skill' with 'sales.'
He can't manage a business but he can sell stuff.
agip, what are you talking about? You are dead wrong on this. Bankers to loan him money? Well, no US bank will do that anymore. Also, you don't need to be a good salesperson to get a loan...just need to show you can pay it back with interest. No, he can't sell. All of his failed businesses would have not failed if he could sell. They had his name on them. He didn't sell The Apprentice. He was approached about that show, and it did ok for a while. It was never the smash hit he says it was. AND, he did NOT make a "vast fortune" with The Apprentice. According to Trump (and of course he wouldn't lie to pad the numbers to make him look better), he made $214 million in 14 seasons of The Apprentice, or about $15 million per year. Big freakin' deal for a guy who claims to be worth $10+ billion. He could have rested on his laurels with $10 billion and made $400 million PER YEAR if he got just 4% of that back through investment or raised appraisals. How is getting $15 million a year a "vast fortune". And, guaranteed he didn't get $15 million a year from that show anyway. His vast fortune came from money his daddy left him. He hasn't done any better with that money and business left to him than he would have if he had just invested the money.
A one-hit wonder as far as sales goes getting stupid people to vote for him, but that's it. A good salesman makes a second sale. He won't.
I'm surprised at how wrong you are on this one.
I have no idea how anyone lives with Trump for 40 years and doesn't say every day 'that man is a salesman.'
It's everything he does and is. It oozes from him in everything he does. That's what he is.
But let's just drop it. I think this is semantics more than anything else.
8/4 Data
Very very bad day in viruslandia.
- 7 day rolling average of daily deaths -
World: new cyclical high
US: new cyclical high
BZ: Near all time highs, on a long high plateau
India: new all time high
FL: new all time high
CA: new all time high
TX: new all time high
AZ: falling down the backside of the curve.
Add those four states and you get an all time high, 32% (!) higher than a week ago.
Just awful stuff. But I hear cases are starting to fall in some places, so probably in a couple weeks the death numbers in the US will start to decline.
david45 wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Just in case anyone wondered...
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Mueller said Trump was innocent
INCORRECT!
Dan Kahneman wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Hmm...I agree with the conman aspect of Trump. Even with that though, other than winning the Presidency (which admittedly is quite a thing), he didn't perpetrate his cons well enough to make any of those failed businesses successful.
I don't agree with your debate comment though. Biden can beat Trump in a debate. I will agree with agip on this though -- I think it might be a very good idea to NOT debate Trump. Has nothing to do with hiding or any nonsense like that. It just has to do with limiting Trump's voice at this point. Trump will lie. He will misconstrue. Just no reason to give a national spotlight to that. When a fool is yelling, best to walk away and not give him a microphone.
Biden must debate Trump. It he doesn't it will give credence to the Republican talking point of Biden having dementia. And will they pound Biden on that.
THAT is the only reason for Biden to do it, and you are correct that he may have to do so for that reason.
agip wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
agip, what are you talking about? You are dead wrong on this. Bankers to loan him money? Well, no US bank will do that anymore. Also, you don't need to be a good salesperson to get a loan...just need to show you can pay it back with interest. No, he can't sell. All of his failed businesses would have not failed if he could sell. They had his name on them. He didn't sell The Apprentice. He was approached about that show, and it did ok for a while. It was never the smash hit he says it was. AND, he did NOT make a "vast fortune" with The Apprentice. According to Trump (and of course he wouldn't lie to pad the numbers to make him look better), he made $214 million in 14 seasons of The Apprentice, or about $15 million per year. Big freakin' deal for a guy who claims to be worth $10+ billion. He could have rested on his laurels with $10 billion and made $400 million PER YEAR if he got just 4% of that back through investment or raised appraisals. How is getting $15 million a year a "vast fortune". And, guaranteed he didn't get $15 million a year from that show anyway. His vast fortune came from money his daddy left him. He hasn't done any better with that money and business left to him than he would have if he had just invested the money.
A one-hit wonder as far as sales goes getting stupid people to vote for him, but that's it. A good salesman makes a second sale. He won't.
I'm surprised at how wrong you are on this one.
I have no idea how anyone lives with Trump for 40 years and doesn't say every day 'that man is a salesman.'
It's everything he does and is. It oozes from him in everything he does. That's what he is.
But let's just drop it. I think this is semantics more than anything else.
He is a salesman, yes. He is not a good salesman.
Dan Kahneman wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Hmm...I agree with the conman aspect of Trump. Even with that though, other than winning the Presidency (which admittedly is quite a thing), he didn't perpetrate his cons well enough to make any of those failed businesses successful.
I don't agree with your debate comment though. Biden can beat Trump in a debate. I will agree with agip on this though -- I think it might be a very good idea to NOT debate Trump. Has nothing to do with hiding or any nonsense like that. It just has to do with limiting Trump's voice at this point. Trump will lie. He will misconstrue. Just no reason to give a national spotlight to that. When a fool is yelling, best to walk away and not give him a microphone.
Biden must debate Trump. It he doesn't it will give credence to the Republican talking point of Biden having dementia. And will they pound Biden on that.
I would listen to a trump/Biden debate and see Biden a clear winner. Not sure everyone would see it like me. Trump is good at spinning his own reality and then arguing that reality. Let's be honest, many people are not very discerning regarding truth as proved by the fact trump was elected president.
But in the end the debate will move few of any votes.
I don't think it will result in many people deciding to vote for the other guy, but depending on what they see, hear and feel they may decide just not to vote. Or some that were on the fence may gain the courage to make the decision.
agip wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
agip, what are you talking about? You are dead wrong on this. Bankers to loan him money? Well, no US bank will do that anymore. Also, you don't need to be a good salesperson to get a loan...just need to show you can pay it back with interest. No, he can't sell. All of his failed businesses would have not failed if he could sell. They had his name on them. He didn't sell The Apprentice. He was approached about that show, and it did ok for a while. It was never the smash hit he says it was. AND, he did NOT make a "vast fortune" with The Apprentice. According to Trump (and of course he wouldn't lie to pad the numbers to make him look better), he made $214 million in 14 seasons of The Apprentice, or about $15 million per year. Big freakin' deal for a guy who claims to be worth $10+ billion. He could have rested on his laurels with $10 billion and made $400 million PER YEAR if he got just 4% of that back through investment or raised appraisals. How is getting $15 million a year a "vast fortune". And, guaranteed he didn't get $15 million a year from that show anyway. His vast fortune came from money his daddy left him. He hasn't done any better with that money and business left to him than he would have if he had just invested the money.
A one-hit wonder as far as sales goes getting stupid people to vote for him, but that's it. A good salesman makes a second sale. He won't.
I'm surprised at how wrong you are on this one.
I have no idea how anyone lives with Trump for 40 years and doesn't say every day 'that man is a salesman.'
It's everything he does and is. It oozes from him in everything he does. That's what he is.
But let's just drop it. I think this is semantics more than anything else.
In case you missed it, even his niece confirmed he's a chronic liar. He lies even when it has no impact on his wealth. A liar is what he is.
Flagpole wrote:
Dan Kahneman wrote:
Biden must debate Trump. It he doesn't it will give credence to the Republican talking point of Biden having dementia. And will they pound Biden on that.
THAT is the only reason for Biden to do it, and you are correct that he may have to do so for that reason.
And rest assured that FOX will use micro clips of Biden stuttering to push the lie for trump.
And of course he also pushed the outright lie that Biden is trying to get out of the debate. A lie that FOX has happily peddled recently. The fact is Biden already agreed to the debates and trump is the one who hasn't. Talk about alternate reality.
So we basically know what will happen
NYT did a piece on Lichtman, the 'keys' guy.
Flagpole and others have talked about him.
https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000007227782/2020-election-prediction-allan-lichtman.html