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The latest from Dotard Trump.
Trump insists that tariffs on cars will stop immigration
Trump insists that tariffs on cars will stop drug trafficking
We have China sending fentanyl to Mexico so it can be delivered into the United States
L L wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/03/24/us/politics/barr-letter-mueller-report.htmlSally Vix wrote:
Can you show me specifically where the Barr report mentioned obstruction of justice? I will be waiting.
Obstruction of Justice.
The report's second part addresses a number of actions by the President – most of which have been the subject of public reporting – that the Special Counsel investigated as potentially raising obstruction-of-justice concerns. After making a “thorough factual investigation” into these matters, the Special Counsel considered whether to evaluate the conduct under Department standards governing prosecution and declination decisions but ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment. The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion - one way or the other – as to whether the examined conduct constituted obstruction. Instead, for each of the relevant actions investigated, the report sets out evidence on both sides of the question and leaves unresolved what the Special Counsel views as “difficult issues” of law and fact concerning whether the President's actions and intent could be viewed as obstruction. The Special Counsel states that “while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”
So, basically the report does not say one way or the other if Obstruction of justice occurred.
Flagpole wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
The Mueller report was "presented" to Attorney General Barr. No one but Mueller and his minions and Barr and a few others know what is in it but you Trump haters claim to know that it has evidence of collusion but not rising to a convictable crime. How do you know that? That is the narrative now but no one outside of a select few know squat.
Trump is a serial liar, so true. So true that Obama and Hillary are serials liars. Adam Schiff is a serial liar. So too is Jerrod Nadler. They are all phonies. That is the nature of politics. Calling Barr a political hack now is totally unfair when you don't know if that is true. Was Eric Holder a political hack? I think so. So true was Loretta lynch as she met Bubba on the tarmac to discuss Hillary. I have evidence they are political hacks. But no such evidence exists to claim that Barr is a political hack.
1) Nowhere have I said I claim to know what is in the Mueller Report.
2) No one knows what is in the Mueller Report except those who have read it. Reading the Barr report is not equivalent.
3) While we don't know what is in the Mueller Report, we DO know that there is evidence in plain sight of "collusion". Trump Tower meeting is evidence of collusion as Schiff appropriately has said. What he has also said is that he doesn't know if Mueller would find that it rises to the level of a convict-able crime but that he takes Mueller's word for that. I ALSO will take Mueller's word for that, but we have to see his words and not a summary by a partisan biased person to know what those words are, AND what the context behind those words are. One of the reasons we need to know what is in the Mueller Report is that just because a prosecutor has decided something isn't prosecutable doesn't mean the House won't decide it is worthy of impeachment. Impeachment is a political process, not a legal one, and as REPUBLICAN Gerald Ford famously said, "high crimes and misdemeanors are whatever Congress says they are." While I don't personally agree with that, I would call TWO FELONIES that helped Trump get elected MORE than a misdemeanor by definition, and by substance even more than that.
4) All politicians lie. All people except me lie. The problem you have with your examples is that none of them equate to Trump. Trump is the king of liars...this is indisputable. You get no points for admitting that Trump lies. You will only get points when you finally determine that the level of his lying is unacceptable for the President of the United States.
5) You are deflecting by bringing up Holder and Lynch. What they are or were is not material at all to this situation. It is a weak debating tactic...weak, weak, weak. You should learn not to do that.
You are arguing for us to not see what is in the Mueller Report, for us to not see what our tax dollars paid for. Shame on you.
Come on Flagpole. You are the only person who does not lie? I caught you lying once about Ohioan girl runners and their times. Everybody lies even if trivial ones. If you aunt asks you if her ugly dress looks nice, you say of course it does. Do say you are the only person who ever does not lie is a joke. You need to do better than this.
agip wrote:
Monkeys typing wrote:
How would you reliably distinguish between agents promoting propaganda, true believers who uncritically accept and propagate things that support their prejudices, and trolls are just messing with you for their own satisfaction?
you seriously think a Russian agent was dispatched to write notes on LRC to 10 guys bored at work? Really?
Trolls are hard to detect, sure.
I am being paid 40 rubles a day to promote propaganda to 20 men on a running site. LOL>
Sally has various “personalities” sort of like trump (but Sally’s spell better). She’s demonstrated fluency in Cyrillic characters, etc. Good news is trump has screwed Russia even worse than America, since we can get him back, whereas putin is a limp leader of a failed nation. Sally is a little bitter about it.
Sally Vix wrote:
L L wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/03/24/us/politics/barr-letter-mueller-report.htmlObstruction of Justice.
The report's second part addresses a number of actions by the President – most of which have been the subject of public reporting – that the Special Counsel investigated as potentially raising obstruction-of-justice concerns. After making a “thorough factual investigation” into these matters, the Special Counsel considered whether to evaluate the conduct under Department standards governing prosecution and declination decisions but ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment. The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion - one way or the other – as to whether the examined conduct constituted obstruction. Instead, for each of the relevant actions investigated, the report sets out evidence on both sides of the question and leaves unresolved what the Special Counsel views as “difficult issues” of law and fact concerning whether the President's actions and intent could be viewed as obstruction. The Special Counsel states that “while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”
So, basically the report does not say one way or the other if Obstruction of justice occurred.
Good freakin' grief. We don't know what the report says as we haven't seen it. Why are you so defensive about having the full report released? Your ONLY position should be that it needs to be released so that we can all know what it says and then when we know what it says, we can make a determination about what it all means. Trying to make a point to someone based on what Barr said of the Mueller Report is bogus.
Trump has claimed "complete exoneration". IF what Barr has quoted from the Mueller Report is accurate, the Mueller Report says exactly NOT that.
Do better.
Flagpole wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
So, basically the report does not say one way or the other if Obstruction of justice occurred.
Good freakin' grief. We don't know what the report says as we haven't seen it. Why are you so defensive about having the full report released? Your ONLY position should be that it needs to be released so that we can all know what it says and then when we know what it says, we can make a determination about what it all means. Trying to make a point to someone based on what Barr said of the Mueller Report is bogus.
Trump has claimed "complete exoneration". IF what Barr has quoted from the Mueller Report is accurate, the Mueller Report says exactly NOT that.
Do better.
Flagpole, are you having a meltdown? I fully support the release of the entire Mueller report. What is up with all the "good griefs!"???
At least the media has started to realize they sucked the Barr teat just a tad bit early. What about you, Sally?! You claim to despise Trump, but you have shown no ability to look at this investigation objectively. Again, if this had been Obama, you'd be demanding his impeachment. And you don't need to read or watch MSM to realize this. Most of what I learned since the election as come from conservative sources (never Trumpers).
agip wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
I have never said MsAGA once. I don't believe in "spankism" over traditional conservatism. Not even sure what that is. I am not full of false views. I have watched you liberals - again I can't stand Trump - for the last 2 years do everything to destroy the Trump presidency You are disgraceful for it but I have not really called you on it. You will never admit the FISA warrant was a crime and based on lies. If you can't admit that - you have nothing. NOTHING. You are doing everything you can to further your party and GO SCREW YOURSELF COUNTRY. I love my party more than I love my country. You Dems and Libs should be ashamed of yourselves. Just so ashamed. I pity you. You may have some self-redeeming qualities but not showing up here.
so you are for free trade, low deficits, small federal government, personal honor, devolved executive branch power vs. congress, government staying out of business affairs, e pluribus unum, etc?
Those are traditional conservative views
Spankism is against all those things, utterly.
You have left conservatism behind, lady. You are into something else now.
(and the fisa warrant was 90% likely not a crime and based on lies)
We both agree the FISA warrant was obtained based on lies. We finally agree.
jesseriley wrote:
Sally has various “personalities” sort of like trump (but Sally’s spell is better). She’s demonstrated fluency in Cyrillic characters, etc. Good news is trump has screwed Russia even worse than America, since we can get him back, whereas putin is a limp leader of a failed nation. Sally is a little bitter about it.
WITCH HUNT!
persona wrote:
Racket wrote:
Am I seriously the only person that remembers the old Sally Vixxxen troll from like 3-4 years ago? It's either the same person waaaayyyyy toned down or it's one of LRC's resident trolls trying to revive an old persona. The originally Sally Vixxxen was like a bona fide KKK member
The name was registered only a few months ago. The later is more likely (one of LRC's resident trolls trying to revive an old persona).
I have not hidden anything. My current names are Sally Vix, Polly P, and Fatty R Belt Buckle but the latter two I never use. I am also the aforementioned Sally Vixxxens in all its variations and Polly Plump but those names were stolen from me and I have not used them in years.. I never have hidden anything.
jesseriley wrote:
Sally has various “personalities” sort of like trump (but Sally’s spell better). She’s demonstrated fluency in Cyrillic characters, etc. Good news is trump has screwed Russia even worse than America, since we can get him back, whereas putin is a limp leader of a failed nation. Sally is a little bitter about it.
"Sally's spell better" and you are critiquing Trump? LOL.
TrumpCONomy wrote:
Dowdy Dow wrote:
But human comprehension is. And it aint hard to recognize you as a blowhard moron with nothing to say and plenty of hot air to say it with.
You do not have human comprehension skills of any sort.
You chose to whine about a reply to someone about interest rates, crying that that belongs in the Dow thread. Who knew, except you, that interest rates were one of the Dow indices?
PS. Knowledge of money and investments are not one of your skills.
PPS. Whining is one of your skills.
Sorry, fat boy, but I can read you easier than you can stuff your fat face with the Wendy's burgers that you live off of. And it is clearer than your overflowing belly that you are a nothing. Zero. Not just ignorant and stupid but entirely void of any hint of human characteristics of any kind. The world will be a better place when you give it up and donate your protoplasm to a more worthy cause - slime molds come to mind.
nontrumper wrote:
At least the media has started to realize they sucked the Barr teat just a tad bit early. What about you, Sally?! You claim to despise Trump, but you have shown no ability to look at this investigation objectively. Again, if this had been Obama, you'd be demanding his impeachment. And you don't need to read or watch MSM to realize this. Most of what I learned since the election as come from conservative sources (never Trumpers).
The investigation has shown nothing and has done nothing but indict some no-name Russians and some Americans for lying and tax fraud. Trump has never been connected to any of those indicted in a criminal manner. The Mueller report went after Trump for 2 years with the best investigators in the country hell-bent on bringing down Trump and so far have found nothing. NOTHING!
My grandmother was tapping your phones in the Russian Sector of Vienna, Sally, way before my time. Your people haven’t changed much!
agip wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Which factual errors did you correct?
I don't remember offhand...usually it's something on a spectrum...moving a definite 'this happened' to something more ambiguous and vague.
I can vouch for agip - without question, one of the very best, if not the best, on these boards at admitting his errors.
"I see nothing!"
Like I suggested, stop sucking the Barr teat. You were fooled. Once again. Find better sources.
Sally Vix wrote:
So, basically the report does not say one way or the other if Obstruction of justice occurred.
You asked "specifically where the Barr report mentioned obstruction of justice?" and I showed you.
The thinking is that Mueller is following policy that you can't indict a sitting president (for some reason) so he is presenting the information for Congress to decide as they have oversight over the president.
It basically means he thinks Trump obstructed justice and for Congress to do its job to impeach.
If he wanted to clear Trump on obstruction he could have done it there.
Even on the conspiracy or collusion part he didn't clear Trump of it, he simply stated that Trump hid the evidence well and Manafort kept his mouth shut.
And our family is very grateful BTW. Making USD in Vienna in 1947! Russia retreated from there so long ago, you probably don’t even have it in your history books. Sorry.
L L wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
So, basically the report does not say one way or the other if Obstruction of justice occurred.
You asked "specifically where the Barr report mentioned obstruction of justice?" and I showed you.
The thinking is that Mueller is following policy that you can't indict a sitting president (for some reason) so he is presenting the information for Congress to decide as they have oversight over the president.
It basically means he thinks Trump obstructed justice and for Congress to do its job to impeach.
If he wanted to clear Trump on obstruction he could have done it there.
Even on the conspiracy or collusion part he didn't clear Trump of it, he simply stated that Trump hid the evidence well and Manafort kept his mouth shut.
Is that what Mueller said? That "Trump hid the evidence well" and "Manafort kept his mouth shut?" If that is truly what you believe, your credibility just went out the window. Mueller never said that Trump obstructed justice. Come on LL - you can do better.
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