donairs wrote:
I started trying this some time last year, after reading some posts re Verheul system. So thanks Klaas for posting!
How has it worked for you?
Has your running improved? If so by how much?
Thanks,
donairs wrote:
I started trying this some time last year, after reading some posts re Verheul system. So thanks Klaas for posting!
I guess this method if fine for 5k to HM runners.
But what about 800-1500 guy?
I can't imagine performing with 3kpace being the fastest pace.
Is there adaptations in Klass Lok book for milers?
Impala31 wrote:
I guess this method if fine for 5k to HM runners.
But what about 800-1500 guy?
I can't imagine performing with 3kpace being the fastest pace.
Is there adaptations in Klass Lok book for milers?
Impala31 wrote:
I guess this method if fine for 5k to HM runners.
But what about 800-1500 guy?
I can't imagine performing with 3kpace being the fastest pace.
Is there adaptations in Klass Lok book for milers?
Impala31 wrote:
I guess this method if fine for 5k to HM runners.
But what about 800-1500 guy?
I can't imagine performing with 3kpace being the fastest pace.
Is there adaptations in Klass Lok book for milers?
Norwegian pro wrote:
I don't recommend that. His elder brother coaching him destroyed some talented younger Norwegians.
clarification please wrote:
Norwegian pro wrote:
I don't recommend that. His elder brother coaching him destroyed some talented younger Norwegians.
Who and what are you referring to here? The elder brother of Klaas Lok? Of Verheul?
My main difficulty with this method is that I have trouble with running fast on asphalt/hard surfaces, and whilst there is forest nearby, it is not really suitable for running fast (very hilly, for example). Going to the track every day seems rather tedious and impractical. Thus it is difficult to actually put the method into practise.
I also do think that the method perhaps lacks some ingredients for building raw speed and strength. Whilst it is hard work, it is not true that raw speed cannot be developed at all, and many distance runners would benefit from focused 'pure speed' work sometimes. There are also no hill intervals, for example. It is true that a 'two hour forest session' is part of the method, which includes anaerobic work, but this is not the same thing.
Impala31 wrote:
I guess this method if fine for 5k to HM runners.
But what about 800-1500 guy?
I can't imagine performing with 3kpace being the fastest pace.
Is there adaptations in Klass Lok book for milers?
JS, you should read his book a bit more closely.
You mention "quite fast intervals", but he's advocating easy intervals and generally avoiding faster intervals.
To oversimplify, he advocates one hard workout a week (e.g., a race); the rest of the week is easy running.
To avoid days of slow running, he suggests a variety of easy intervals for the recovery days.
To develop aerobic fitness, there are "long runs" in the form of 6 x 1000 at approx HM pace, with long recoveries.
old and ... wrote:
JS, you should read his book a bit more closely.
You mention "quite fast intervals", but he's advocating easy intervals and generally avoiding faster intervals.
To oversimplify, he advocates one hard workout a week (e.g., a race); the rest of the week is easy running.
To avoid days of slow running, he suggests a variety of easy intervals for the recovery days.
To develop aerobic fitness, there are "long runs" in the form of 6 x 1000 at approx HM pace, with long recoveries.
Limited mitochondrial development seems like a fair critique, but for the vast number of runners who don't run much more than 40 mpw anyway, it's a moot point. I am curious to give it a try for 3-month cycle at some point just to see how it feels.
Jan, I would argue that it is possible to add in some easy 'walk/jog/run fast' sections in the middle of your long run, while not making the run harder overall. Can you point to some study showing that 'mitochondrial development' is better if the run is steady, rather than done in easy intervals?
This study seems to support the idea that moderate interval training develops mitochondria better than steady training.
https://www.abstractsonline.com/Plan/ViewAbstract.aspx?sKey=3beace5f-663d-4be5-bd66-ed6a761f3ce6&cKey=ef6d7984-491f-481d-8b7f-241927c3b694&mKey=3eb8314a-ad3b-4c19-a614-2013255f7f19
I want this book. I'm in India.
What are my options?
donairs wrote:
This study seems to support the idea that moderate interval training develops mitochondria better than steady training.
https://www.abstractsonline.com/Plan/ViewAbstract.aspx?sKey=3beace5f-663d-4be5-bd66-ed6a761f3ce6&cKey=ef6d7984-491f-481d-8b7f-241927c3b694&mKey=3eb8314a-ad3b-4c19-a614-2013255f7f19
curiouscow wrote:
Have you used this method for long? I did one 6 x 1000m session this week. Found that the pace hovered around just under MP for me, if I try to follow the feeling that the author has suggested and the prescribe HR zones.
Not sure if I can really get down to HM pace without getting into -3 to -5 bpm territory of LT HR. That might be too hard for me, and not be in the 'easy interval' realm.
calicer1996 wrote:
I want this book. I'm in India.
What are my options?
Book has been read. Going to try and follow 10k schedule for 6 weeks to see how i get on.
Disclaimer: recovering from covid so energy levels are well down.
Mileage doesn't seem too high on the plans I've seen.
update?