Stanford Frosh Thomas Ratcliffe 23:17 at Stanford Invite

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TreeWatch wrote:

Saturday's course has been in use since 2010.

McGorty ran 23:07 on it last year, fastest ever by a collegian.

Several years ago, Scotty Bauhs won in 22:45 or thereabouts for the all-time course record . . . but on a course slightly different than the current one. Bauhs was a professional by then, having left Chico State.

Really fast times this year were due to the weather. Temps were in the 60s, unlike most years where it's in the 80s.

Baughs was still a senior at Chico in 2007, outdueling Aron Rono (NAIA XC champ that year for Azusa Pacific).

let the big dawg eat wrote:

TreeWatch wrote:

Saturday's course has been in use since 2010.

McGorty ran 23:07 on it last year, fastest ever by a collegian.

Several years ago, Scotty Bauhs won in 22:45 or thereabouts for the all-time course record . . . but on a course slightly different than the current one. Bauhs was a professional by then, having left Chico State.

Really fast times this year were due to the weather. Temps were in the 60s, unlike most years where it's in the 80s.

Baughs was still a senior at Chico in 2007, outdueling Aron Rono (NAIA XC champ that year for Azusa Pacific).

Scotty Bauhs won it his final two years at Chico. First as a red shirting 4th year, and then again while in uniform as a senior. I don't believe he ever ran it post collegiately.

No disrespect to Swarnjit! (I've just never heard of him until now.)

sc42 wrote:

He's very good, no doubt about that. Impressive performance that puts his name in the mix, first try. But before reading too much into XC times (especially on this always-insanely-fast course), stop to consider that he beat well known household name Swarnjit Boyal by all of 5 seconds.

You can compare times run on the same course at the same meet. His run shows the potential to finish probably 15-35th at NCAAs. That takes into account he is able to handle the extra 2k and a much more crowded, competitive field but the potential is there.

Right, and the chances for Stanford to maybe have 3 top 20 guys would make them hard to beat, even 4 in the top 30 with Alex, not sure how he'll be as he hasn't done much as far as I know, I guess we'll get to see more at Wisconsin next week although unfortunately it doesn't appear Ratcliffe will be there.

some course history wrote:

You can compare times run on the same course at the same meet. His run shows the potential to finish probably 15-35th at NCAAs. That takes into account he is able to handle the extra 2k and a much more crowded, competitive field but the potential is there.

With regard to comparing times on a given course, I agree about 50%. There is a lot of variation from year to year in the speed of some courses.

With regard to Ratcliffe, I agree completely that he clearly has the potential to do well at Nationals... but it is worth noting that extrapolating times from this year's Stanford meet also suggests that Cal Poly (unranked nationally, currently ranked 10th in the West Region) has two probable All Americans.

Did some further inet searching . . .

Bauhs ran 23:03 in 2007 for the all-time 8k Invite record. That likely was the year he was redshirting at Chico State as suggested above, not running professionally.

The all-time 8k course record is a sub-23 that Galen Rupp ran when Pac-10s were at Stanford sometime during the mid-2000s.

Back to Ratcliffe, per today's Flotrack video recap of the weekend, Ratcliffe's time is now 7th on the all-time Stanford Invite 8k list . . . McGorty's 23:07 winner last year is the 2nd fastest Invite time ever.

Per quotes from Miltenberg following the meet, Ratcliffe would likely need to show (in practice, presumably) that he is one of the top-4 runners on the team for the redshirt to come off . . . as Grant Fisher showed last year..

UPADTE: it appears that Ratcliffe will run at PAC-12 according to his coach today, at least that's his current plan.

Ratcliffe ran 7:53.23 to come in 5th at UW tonight.

5 Ratcliffe, Thomas Unattached 7:53.23

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