http://bfy.tw/7QUISearching guy wrote:
Can anyone link me to today's 10 mile results?
http://bfy.tw/7QUISearching guy wrote:
Can anyone link me to today's 10 mile results?
He went 47:16 last year.
Are you saying 'road guys' are better or tougher than track guys?Please explain.
really really hard.... wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:re: "Easily the worst race I've ever been to"
How many road races have you participated in?
Probably a track guy who got to the hills at 5 miles and curled up beside the road calling for his mommy.
If he's not saying it I will.
Please continue wrote:
Are you saying 'road guys' are better or tougher than track guys?
Please explain.
really really hard.... wrote:Probably a track guy who got to the hills at 5 miles and curled up beside the road calling for his mommy.
Thanks
ok. i don't get it, but that's OK. I think it depends on your background and where running started for you.i was all-american in college and have qualified for the olympic marathon trials.i certainly prefer track and am more proud of my track accomplishments versus road stuff.still interested to hear more
Mt. Runmore wrote:
If he's not saying it I will.
Please continue wrote:Are you saying 'road guys' are better or tougher than track guys?
Please explain.
[quote]Please continue wrote:
i was all-american in college and have qualified for the olympic marathon trials.
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Probably on a downhill course.
If you aren't running UP really steep hills, then you aren't really running. A hill that is steep enough and long enough will make EVERYONE walk. That doesn't happen on the track or flat and downhill marathons.
crim is a tough course and runs about 1min to 90s slower than any fast ten mile course(i.e. Cherry blossom, medrodonic)
really really hard.... wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:re: "Easily the worst race I've ever been to"
How many road races have you participated in?
Probably a track guy who got to the hills at 5 miles and curled up beside the road calling for his mommy.
The same people who say this are the ones who quit running soon as they have no team to run on.
sick of all the kiprotich wrote:
Pick it up wrote:I think the Crim is a great race and I thought it was awesome Ritz won it, but one reason why he won it this year was because they eliminated prize money and donated it to the people of Flint because of their water issues. So no Kenyans or Ethiopians this year, not as much competition. He was the first American to win since 1990 I think.
Wow. The opportunity to win $50 is gone and suddenly so are the Africans. More races need to follow suit and eliminate prize money altogether or make it American only money. We've donated to enough huts, goats and brides. They've made a mockery out of road racing in the states, making it so predictable people care even less than they did 20 years ago when RR was at least slightly popular. Even worse is that many of these Africans did so while on PEDs. Time to get rid of them for good and try and revive our sport which is on life support.
Never post.
this x1000. I already thought very very highly of Dathan. Even more so now. hats off son, hats off. quietly goes about being one of the best examples of a human being (and runner) in this country. can't say enough, kudos.
Montesquieu wrote:
I'm bumping this to underscore what "Pick it up" points out--no prize money. Ritz ran it simply to support a race that has meant a great deal to road racing in the midwest. He thought given what the race has been, that there should at least be one professional who shows up. There's something honorable in this that we should recognize.
Pick it up wrote:I think the Crim is a great race and I thought it was awesome Ritz won it, but one reason why he won it this year was because they eliminated prize money and donated it to the people of Flint because of their water issues. So no Kenyans or Ethiopians this year, not as much competition. He was the first American to win since 1990 I think.
Pick it up wrote:
I think the Crim is a great race and I thought it was awesome Ritz won it, but one reason why he won it this year was because they eliminated prize money and donated it to the people of Flint because of their water issues. So no Kenyans or Ethiopians this year, not as much competition. He was the first American to win since 1990 I think.
[quote]sick of all the kiprotich wrote:
Wow. The opportunity to win $50 is gone and suddenly so are the Africans. More races need to follow suit and eliminate prize money altogether or make it American only money. We've donated to enough huts, goats and brides. They've made a mockery out of road racing in the states, making it so predictable people care even less than they did 20 years ago when RR was at least slightly popular. Even worse is that many of these Africans did so while on PEDs. Time to get rid of them for good and try and revive our sport which is on life support.
Although you could have been a bit more diplomatic with your wording, your post is basically correct.
The sport would be better off without prize money at races. Why? Because introducing prize money has lead to a slew foreign athletes using PEDs to win prize money when in reality they would have better served the societies they came from by getting an education and doing a productive job in their society rather than just running.
Linked to professionalism in running and foreign athletes has also been the proliferation of cockroach athlete agents and coaches who are all in there to make some money off the athlete's performances and who are also at least just as responsible for the PED problem that now exists in the sport.
So instead of spending millions of dollars on testing for PEDs, road races and distance running in general must stop giving out prize money. It is the simplest and most effective solution to the existing problem.
FlintStone wrote:
Field goes home devastated. Ritz wins and is second fastest Amercian finisher ever at the Crim Ten Miler.
I only see Ritz in the spotlight on letsrun maybe once every 6 months and for a performance that's nothing super specatulator. Or I see an article about how he has injures and needs some sort of surgery. This has been going on for 15 years now. If you're not going to do anything special then stay home and watch the Flinstones Ritz... or watch the roadrunner looney tunes just a suggestion
Let's put his "win" in perspective. There was no prize money, he was the only elite runner entered in the field, he won by over 2 minutes. Let's not be quick to start sucker each others d!cks just yet.
6, including Crim 10 miler
TrackCoach wrote:
Crim race is terrible wrote:No one showed up.
I traveled to this race last year. Easily the worst race I've ever been to (course and organization). Lead issues in Flint wasn't widely publicized yet either at that time.
Ritz will win this for the next ten years if he wants to.
re: "Easily the worst race I've ever been to"
How many road races have you participated in?
Ritz has run 10 miles in under 46 minutes in training before. This race means very little I'm afraid, unless the course is tough, in which case 47:23 might be a good time for him.
Ritz is my hero wrote:
FlintStone wrote:Field goes home devastated. Ritz wins and is second fastest Amercian finisher ever at the Crim Ten Miler.
I only see Ritz in the spotlight on letsrun maybe once every 6 months and for a performance that's nothing super specatulator. Or I see an article about how he has injures and needs some sort of surgery. This has been going on for 15 years now. If you're not going to do anything special then stay home and watch the Flinstones Ritz... or watch the roadrunner looney tunes just a suggestion
Did you find his AR record of 12:56 in 2009 to be "super spectaculator"? Or his 13:27 as a college freshman? Or were those no good to you?
Maybe you are staying home too much?
Please continue wrote:
Are you saying 'road guys' are better or tougher than track guys?
Please explain.
Definitely at least as far as elite runners go. Road guys almost always push it to the max against each other and the clock (how many fast marathons/half marathons in the past ten years compared to track times?). These days, it is a miracle just to see a track race go faster than a highschool or NCAA time.