Caster Semenya (oh Man)

Not XY wrote:

I hate to point out the obvious, but Bolt, Phelps, Ledecky, etc. don't have 30 times or even 3 times longer legs, bigger hearts, lungs, etc than their competitors.

Their advantages, while at the more extreme end of physical humanity, are not off the scale so as to be many multiples of it in the way Semenya's testosterone is. Never mind the size of Semenya's physical characteristics when compared to female athletes.

30 times longer legs, huh? OK guy. Now you are just making things up.

Usain Bolt, Lebron James and Shaquille O'Neal all vary from the average man by at least as much as Semenya varies from the average woman. By your arguement should competiors be "aggrieved" (lol) and shielded from being beaten by them? Same for Ledecky? Same for Serena Williams?

You can't just get butthurt at advantages you don't like, such as Semenya's, while celebrating other advantages, such as Bolt's or Phelps's. Well, you can. But you sound like an idiot.

your logic stinks wrote:

Not XY wrote:

I hate to point out the obvious, but Bolt, Phelps, Ledecky, etc. don't have 30 times or even 3 times longer legs, bigger hearts, lungs, etc than their competitors.

Their advantages, while at the more extreme end of physical humanity, are not off the scale so as to be many multiples of it in the way Semenya's testosterone is. Never mind the size of Semenya's physical characteristics when compared to female athletes.

30 times longer legs, huh? OK guy. Now you are just making things up.

Usain Bolt, Lebron James and Shaquille O'Neal all vary from the average man by at least as much as Semenya varies from the average woman. By your arguement should competiors be "aggrieved" (lol) and shielded from being beaten by them? Same for Ledecky? Same for Serena Williams?

Rrrrrigghhhttt....obviously they don't teach biology where you come from. Have you heard of chromosomes? Genes? Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes, each of which contains genes passed on from the parents. Only one of those pairs of chromosomes determines sex. Anyone who produces male sexual characteristics, such as testes that produce testosterone, must have an X chromosome and are therefore male. Females are XX, males XY.

It is individual alleles within chromosomes (not an entire pair of chromosomes themselves), small differences between a very few genes, which determine other characteristics not dependant on sex. Such as height, length of arms and leg, proportion of muscle twitch fibres. The genes which do this are contained within a few alleles in certain areas of the chromosomes, and don't affect a whole pair of chromosomes, like sex does.

So not only are Usain Bolt and Lebron James far more similar genetically to the average male than to the average female, Semenya is also far closer genetically to the average male than to the average woman, because that Y chromosome also codes for secondary sexual characteristics in males, including a bigger and wider skull, thigh muscle in front of the femur rather than behind, higher waist to hip ratio, wider shoulders, and not the breasts, narrow waist, rounder faces, etc which are typical of females.

Semenya displays typically male secondary sexual characteristics and is therefore far more genetically close to Usain Bolt than the average female. Semenya is an incompletely developed male with a Y chromosome, because it is just not possible to have testes without a Y chromosome.

Suspect the above requires a level of concentration that may not exist however.

Not XY wrote:

I hate to point out the obvious, but Bolt, Phelps, Ledecky, etc. don't have 30 times or even 3 times longer legs, bigger hearts, lungs, etc than their competitors.

your logic stinks wrote:

30 times longer legs, huh? OK guy. Now you are just making things up.

You're saying they do?