1) So I meet a guy who is DEEP embedded in elite sport, has coached at the very top. 100% trustworthy in my opinion. Has stories that would 2) make sports governing bodies' heads explodes. Knows where bodies are buried, & who killed 'em. I ask what it would take for him to reveal 3) it all. First response - you only lose be revealing because authorities won't back it anyway, so the positive outcome you seek is fiction 4) Second point - the risk of revealing is massive. Not just loss of future opportunity,but real danger. So risk vs reward? No way you speak 5) He goes so far as to reveal that he has left a few copies of incriminating documents in various places for instructions for what should 6) be done if anything happens to him. That's the level of 'fear' we're talking here. So when people glibly say "there's be whistleblowers "7) they don't appreciate the magnitude of what it takes to come out & talk - you risk everything, for a tiny possibility of uncertain change 8) Until someone creates the incentive for people to talk, it won't happen. Lance did, by pissing off so many. Walsh enabled it by searching 9) for those, inspired by something personal. Question now, is who is doing that? That's why the fawning media coverage is so frustrating. 10) In the USA, there's total apathy to cycling. In UK, it's controlled & 'fan-based' (they're writing the "hug" equivalent of journalism) 11) So who is going to uncover the truth? Nobody is looking, and those who know are not exactly happy to be exposed to all that risk. 12) When I see a journo write puff pieces,or say how he hugged another when his athlete won, I despair because how is that person fulfilling 13) a responsibility to the public? All they're doing is writing unpaid for advertorials. The authorities are of course no more trustworthy 14) All of this is why I very enthusiastically support https://www.sportsleaks.com I hope it helps shift the balance & expose more
Unfortunately, yeah. Had a long discussion, asked him "what would it take to come clean with info". People are 'scared'. Sure, I didn't mean to paint them in a bad light. The lack of trust is of the authorities & fear is of those who are exposed. Yeah, sure, and these guys know that. They'd trust them. Their lack of trust is of authorities & their fear is for the people ...who are exposed, or stand to lose a lot. It was remarkable to hear of that aspect, the mind of the potential whistleblower
WHY NO WHISTELBLOWERS - answered in tweetes by Proffessor Ross Tucker (ZA)
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smells like BS, tucker is an "everybody fast is doping" kinda guy. Not every sport is cycling.
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12) When I see a journo write puff pieces,or say how he hugged another when his athlete won, I despair because how is that person fulfilling 13) a responsibility to the public?
Since when are journos responsible to the public? They are responsible to the moneyed capitalists who own the newspapers/media. Or the government controllers if it's the BBC. Why should they care about Joe Q. Public, except to sell more copies to increase ad revenue, or to influence his vote when an election is coming up? -
yyiyyizzjoop wrote:
12) When I see a journo write puff pieces,or say how he hugged another when his athlete won, I despair because how is that person fulfilling 13) a responsibility to the public?
Since when are journos responsible to the public? They are responsible to the moneyed capitalists who own the newspapers/media. Or the government controllers if it's the BBC. Why should they care about Joe Q. Public, except to sell more copies to increase ad revenue, or to influence his vote when an election is coming up?
Yes and no. In the US, the freedom of the press that journalists see as a scred right was created because the function of the press was to present truth to the public so politicians, etc. could be held accountable. But those days are gone. -
HRE wrote:
Yes and no. In the US, the freedom of the press that journalists see as a scred right was created because the function of the press was to present truth to the public so politicians, etc. could be held accountable. But those days are gone.
Those days never were. -
still better now than ever wrote:
HRE wrote:
Yes and no. In the US, the freedom of the press that journalists see as a scred right was created because the function of the press was to present truth to the public so politicians, etc. could be held accountable. But those days are gone.
Those days never were.
Again, yes and no. When the media was independently owned it came closer. -
Does he mean this literally?
Knows where bodies are buried, & who killed 'em -
No, but Declan Hill might.
http://declanhill.com/sports-russian-mafia/
The Russian soccer leagues of the past two decades have had a body count that rivals Al Capone’s Chicago.
In Russia, two sports often share the same club, so that one club will have at least two different teams: one that plays soccer during the summer and the other playing hockey during the winter while sharing the same administration.
Both sports have seen numerous murders, pistol-whippings, kidnappings, and bombings. At one point, an elite unit of the ministry of interior anti-terror commandos faced off against fully armed Russian soldiers in a battle over control of the ice hockey team CSKA Moscow. Nor is Russia alone in these problems: in the neighbouring country of Ukraine, the entire VIP box at Shakhtar Donetsk stadium was blown up in a bomb attack that killed the Shakhtar club president, Akhat Bragin, and his five bodyguards. The most prominent club – Dinamo Kyiv – was even alleged to be connected to the mob’s exporting of nuclear missile parts.
Shows you why Putin values sport so much.
In his autobiography, Sir Alex Ferguson, the manager of Manchester United, reveals that both he and the chairman of the club, Martin Edwards, were threatened by a Russian agent when Ferguson refused to sell their star forward Andrei Kanchelskis. They took the threats very seriously, and sold the player.
The question is, why have so many people been killed in Russian sport? Is it some bizarre enthusiasm for the sport? A psychopathic love of the game that produced such a bloodbath? A thuggish form of the ultimate hooliganism?
In the early 1990s, the chief reason mobsters entered the world of Russian soccer was that control of sports clubs gave them a significant commercial advantage... So it took Russian mobsters all of about 3.2 seconds to figure out they should get into the sport business. As a result, various mafia groups seized control of different clubs and began to compete in the tax-free importation of goods. No single mob group was able to gain control over the sports market, although they certainly tried, as the body count shows.
Sport, runs the argument, is no exception from other industries. In 1993 for example, dozens of the presidents of the private banks in Moscow were assassinated in mob-style killings. Nor are soccer and hockey the exceptions in Russian sports; in 1999 figure skater Maria Butyrskaya’s BMW was blown up by a mysterious car bomb explosion. Chevalier Nusuyev, the president of the Russian Youth Sports Federation, was killed in a mob-style murder, and eighteen-year- old European Junior Boxing Champion Sergei Latushko was ambushed and shot eight times in the head and chest as he was leaving his practice stadium. He died soon afterwards. Those are a few examples, but there are many others, from many other sports. -
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smells like BS, tucker is an "everybody fast is doping" kinda guy. Not every sport is cycling.
Distance running is WORSE than cycling and the IAAF is WORSE than FIFA. The Russians, Turks, Kenyans, Jama Aden/Ethiopia, Spanish, Nike paying bribes to Kenyan Officials, NIKE/NOP/Salazar, IAAF taking bribes to cover doping positives, WADA covering up doping until ARD exposed it, IAAF (Coe) sending Cease and Desist orders to Hajo Seppelt.
Distance running is the biggest pile of trash I have ever seen and should be kicked out of international athletics. -
coach d wrote:
Distance running is the biggest pile of trash I have ever seen and should be kicked out of international athletics.
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From 2012, http://www.newyorker.com/news/sporting-scene/doping-and-running
Specifically, Malcolm, how many of these guys do you think are doping? My instinct is that virtually all the men and all the women in every event shorter than four hundred metres are doped, about half of the quarter milers are doped, a few of the half milers, and very few of the long-distance runners. There are some exceptions though: Moroccan men and Russian women seem to have particular issues.
Malcolm:I confess that I don’t understand the relationship between long-distance running and doping. Sprinting—yes. But do we know what kind of benefit a truly élite runner in, say, the ten-thousand-metre gets from drugs?
What I’ve always understood is that to compete in anything from the five-thousand-metre to the marathon, you need to train at least a hundred and twenty miles a week. But most people who try to run a hundred and twenty miles a week or more will, in a relatively short period of time, get hurt. The great American distance runner Chris Solinsky is a clear example of this.
The limiting factor in distance running is injuries, and the greatest challenge in the sport is finding a way to make the hundred and twenty miles a week manageable.
What I don’t understand is how “performance enhancing†drugs help you manage that hundred-and-twenty-mile-per-week burden. Surely the ideal performance-enhancing drug for a distance runner would be a brand-new, perfectly legal, anti-inflammatory. Nothing too complicated. Just a super-charged ibuprofen that would help injuries heal faster. Or am I being naïve? -
What I don’t understand is how “performance enhancing†drugs help you manage that hundred-and-twenty-mile-per-week burden.
Please Malcolm, GET A CLUE. Most of the advantages in PEDs are the ability to train more, and manage more burdens. Ask Barry Bonds, etc -
What is this, like a 14-part Twitter diatribe all limited to 140 characters? Hasn't Tucker heard of other ways of employing the Internet to get a message across?
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Guess somebody forgot to tell the OP that Trevor Graham is alive and unhurt after sending in the syringe that brought down dozens of track runners as well as athletes from other sports.
I guess he did receive a lifetime ban. He and his family haven't been out into personal danger though, despite what the OP'S (imaginary) friend believes. -
coach d wrote:
Distance running is the biggest pile of trash I have ever seen and should be kicked out of international athletics.
As opposed to sprinting?
Remember when you used to go on and on about how Tyson Gay was clean because he was in Project Believe? LOL
You are the shittiest poster on this website. And that's saying something. If you don't like distance running then stop coming to a website dedicated to distance running. Moron. -
smile wrote:
coach d wrote:
Distance running is the biggest pile of trash I have ever seen and should be kicked out of international athletics.
As opposed to sprinting?
Remember when you used to go on and on about how Tyson Gay was clean because he was in Project Believe? LOL
You are the shittiest poster on this website. And that's saying something. If you don't like distance running then stop coming to a website dedicated to distance running. Moron.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure Tyson Gay really believed that he was clean. Unfortunately he was a complete idiot and let somebody rub testosterone cream on him. There is no other explanation for why he would take an easily detected banned substance right before a meet where he knew he would be tested. -
How do these scientists like Tucker and Magness have time for this endless Tweetering, blogging and message board posting? I\\\'m dating an accomplished scientist (biology) and she barely has time to poop.
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Most celebs outsource to a SocMedMgr (social media manager). Not sure RT is that level yet.
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No time for two wrote:
How do these scientists like Tucker and Magness have time for this endless Tweetering, blogging and message board posting? I\'m dating an accomplished scientist (biology) and she barely has time to poop.
All women are like that.
Come on. -
I don't understand something. This anonymous person supposedly DEEPly embedded into sports (elite) was willing to talk even casually to Tucker about what he knew? Why didn't he think that Tucker was call up Guido to have him 6 feet under by the next sunrise?
