Anyone else wanna see what Semenya can do 100% ALL OUT?????

Can you all please stop referring to him as he? I agree he shouldn't be competing against women, but even though he's a guy, it is incredibly offensive and degrading to call him a guy because it would... uh... be telling the TRUTH, and the truth is just so... disgusting and offensive!!!

I wouldn't go out of my way to see a man ie someone born with XY chromosomes, undescended testicles and male secondary sexual characteristics run sub 1.50. Why would that be interesting, when other men run faster and don't make it to the Olympics?

I also doubt Semenya would be that exciting to watch if challenged in a race, as he never has been, since he chooses to run in an easier category and so presumably shirks equal competition.

What I do find interesting is the psychology behind blatantly running in an easier category than you should be in order to win races. ie the lack of guilt or feeling for your fellow competitors, who also should have been born male to have a similar chance.

MoCo Runner wrote:

jjjjjjj wrote:

What would be particularly interesting about that? Semenya is not about to break into the level of a male elite at 400 or 800m.

Because she's barely even trying and is still smoking the field. People want to see what she's really capable of.

People say that all the time about various men running early season meets. Often times the faster times never show up. Some people also look very casual when running well. But you shouldn't confuse that ability to run relaxed with not trying. It should also be mentioned the gap between 1:55 and 1:53 is still pretty big. And it wasn't like Kratochvílová was a very femine woman. There have been a steady stream of 800m runners (Mutola, Jelimo, Semenya among others) for the past 20 years that people have questioned. Maybe they all sand bagged but maybe running sub 1:55 is hard.

rojo wrote:

Maybe we should start a GoFundMe.

$1,000,000 if she breaks the WR but she has to retire to accept the money.

It's a win win. We see how fast she can run. She gets paid. And there is hope for the XX women.

You'd be better offering it to Kratochvílová to spill the beans on how she broke the current WR, she has to forfeit it in return. Maybe split it with Olizarenko, that would knock it back quite a bit and give all those 'clean' US runners a chance.

whattheheck wrote:

it wasn't like Kratochvílová was a very feminine woman.

She wasn't a feminine woman, but that's different than being a masculine guy.

Kratochvílová got her body from Rocky type training with weights, and wasn't a feminine woman, but that's different than being a masculine guy like Semenya.

Regardless of the pace, the point is where do we go from this point today moving forward. If we truly stand together with real women, then we don't want XY guys in women's running events. It isn't right for anyone who doesn't meet all the biological criteria for being a woman, to be allow to compete in women's events.

I would rather see the other 800 runners be competitive with Semenya. That way, every race would be entertaining. If she did an all-out time trial it would only be interesting ONE TIME, then it would be back to same old, same old. That is the problem when there is one dominant performer in an event -- with the outcome assured most of the time it gets boring. I'd like to see someone beat Farah at the Olympics.

Alan Webb's Goggles wrote:

I wouldn't go out of my way to see a man ie someone born with XY chromosomes, undescended testicles and male secondary sexual characteristics run sub 1.50. Why would that be interesting, when other men run faster and don't make it to the Olympics?

I also doubt Semenya would be that exciting to watch if challenged in a race, as he never has been, since he chooses to run in an easier category and so presumably shirks equal competition.

What I do find interesting is the psychology behind blatantly running in an easier category than you should be in order to win races. ie the lack of guilt or feeling for your fellow competitors, who also should have been born male to have a similar chance.

Let's say you were born like Caster, presumably with female genitals. You were raised as a girl.

You find out later that you have undescended testes and are biologically intersex. Do you think that's gonna change the way you identify?

Slow Bro wrote:

Let's say you were born like Caster, presumably with female genitals. You were raised as a girl.

He was not born with female genitals.

You find out later that you have undescended testes and are biologically intersex. Do you think that's gonna change the way you identify?

The point is that he is a male, who is running in women's running events.

That he is a biological male is the issue, not how he identifies, though he obviously identifies as a male, just look how he acts, and is taking advantage of the intersex propaganda.

Slow Bro wrote:

Let's say you were born like Caster, presumably with female genitals. You were raised as a girl.

He was not born with female genitals.

You find out later that you have undescended testes and are biologically intersex. Do you think that's gonna change the way you identify?

The point is that he is a male, who is running in women's running events.

That he is a biological male is the issue, not how he identifies, though he obviously identifies as a male, just look how he acts, and is taking advantage of the intersex propaganda.

That can actually push her to the edge and she can surely destroy the world record

XX women ~ not XY males wrote:

whattheheck wrote:

it wasn't like Kratochvílová was a very feminine woman.

She wasn't a feminine woman, but that's different than being a masculine guy.

Kratochvílová got her body from Rocky type training with weights, and wasn't a feminine woman, but that's different than being a masculine guy like Semenya.

Regardless of the pace, the point is where do we go from this point today moving forward. If we truly stand together with real women, then we don't want XY guys in women's running events. It isn't right for anyone who doesn't meet all the biological criteria for being a woman, to be allow to compete in women's events.

It seems that a doped to the gills xx athlete while bad isn't as deplorable as a possibly clean xxy athlete. Of course message boards didn't exist then but the Roger Daltry clone wouldn't have thread after thread about her like Caster....

XX women ~ not XY males wrote:

whattheheck wrote:

it wasn't like Kratochvílová was a very feminine woman.

She wasn't a feminine woman, but that's different than being a masculine guy.

Kratochvílová got her body from Rocky type training with weights, and wasn't a feminine woman, but that's different than being a masculine guy like Semenya.

Regardless of the pace, the point is where do we go from this point today moving forward. If we truly stand together with real women, then we don't want XY guys in women's running events. It isn't right for anyone who doesn't meet all the biological criteria for being a woman, to be allow to compete in women's events.

You think Kratochvilova got her body from training and not say injecting a cocktail of drugs into her body? Is there much of a difference between a woman who gets 4x the normal test by injecting it and one that gets 4x the test from a genetic condition?

The question is and will always be what do you define a woman. I have no clue about Casters exact situation but she could very well be an XX person with elevated androgen sensitivity. Or she could be an XY/xxy with surpressed androgen sensitivity. Or anything in between. Shannon Rowbury says she doens't have a chance against caster. But it isn't like most woman have a chance against Rowbury. She was born with a profile of test/estrogen that gave her a body that is a heck of a lot more optimized for running than what most gals get. Where do you end up drawing the line where the best competitors are pretty much trying to be as male (i.e. how many c cups did you see at the olympic trials?) as possible? Things like must be XX are simple rules. But they don't match reality very well.

Row row row your airplane wrote:

Can you all please stop referring to him as he? I agree he shouldn't be competing against women, but even though he's a guy, it is incredibly offensive and degrading to call him a guy because it would... uh... be telling the TRUTH, and the truth is just so... disgusting and offensive!!!

You have no soul. Must be a ginger.

whattheheck wrote:

You think Kratochvilova got her body from training and not say injecting a cocktail of drugs into her body?

Is there much of a difference between a woman who gets 4x the normal test by injecting it and one that gets 4x the test from a genetic condition?

Yes there sure is. No woman was run faster than Radcliffe in the marathon.

Presuming Radcliffe was a woman and drug free, there is therefore no difference between drugged and clean women as to the level of performance.

However there is a 10 percent difference in the level of performance between women and men!

If Semenya was a woman his fastest 800 meters would be around 2:07.

Speak proper English wrote:

He was not born with female genitals.

Oh, really? Why do you think her family decided to raise her as a girl? Just for giggles? "Hey, this kid's got a dick and balls, but let's raise him as a girl BECAUSE REASONS. Maybe he'll be a track star or something."

Her testes are internal, so they weren't detected at birth. Neither would the fact that she doesn't have a uterus. She would have physically looked like a girl at birth.

Alan Webb's Goggles wrote:

I wouldn't go out of my way to see a man ie someone born with XY chromosomes, undescended testicles and male secondary sexual characteristics run sub 1.50. Why would that be interesting, when other men run faster and don't make it to the Olympics?

People keep referring to Semenya as XY, but I can't find an actual report of this anywhere. It's also possible she's XX but with translocated SRY or other abnormal testosterone sensitivity.

Anyone, please post a reference for the XY assertion.

not that many wrote:

ajiopbhabf wrote:

Who cares? Not that big a deal to watch a dude crank out a 1:49. You can go to high school meets and see that.

Really? Not many high schoolers run 1:49.

I have only seen 2 in person and both were absolute studs in the 800 meters. Mike McGrath and Elijah Greer. I have been coaching high school for 18 years.

Semenya wouldn't go all out it would ruin her event, cause all the other gals would switch events.

How loud would Jenny Simpson scream if Semenya switched to just the 1500?

Why? You can see it every spring in high school meets.

I'd rather see a real man run a 100% all out 800.