All you chickens so scared shitless of the life-giving sun will be fat and useless before age 35 because your T levels will spiral away to nothing just like Ryan Hall, due to not getting vitamin D the way nature intended, including seasonal variations. You all keep your skin in a state of perpetual winter and will lose first your muscle and then your bones. Then you will be all proud of your spotless fair skin as you sit helpless in a wheelchair with two broken hips.
okinoko wrote:
Everywhere says you need to. Even on cloudy, rainy days. I just feel like most people I know don't actually do it.
Depends where you live. I live near London and never wear sunscreen in this country. Never burnt or got anywhere near burning. A tan is your natural protection.
I'm doing just fine........ wrote:
I am a 51 year old male and I have never worn sunscreen in my life. I have also never wiped down a cart at the supermarket with an antibacterial towelette. I have never bought a bottle of water. I have never posted on twitter and I have never and I mean NEVER cut a hamburger in half before eating it.
+1
coach d wrote:
As noted above, high SPF sunscreens do little to block UVA, but the blocking of UVB gives a false sense of security, and because people can stay out in the sun or at the beach all day, they are acquiring a LOT more total UV (UVB + UVA) than they would without the sunscreen, and I believe this is why skin cancer rates are going up, despite "scientific" studies saying that sunscreens cause cancer and melanoma rates to go down.
I take a more simple approach... Skin cancer rates are going up solely because technology is better and can actually detect it. If anyone thinks skin cancer wasn't around 200 years ago then they are a dull light bulb. Among many things, skin cancer was likely one of the largest causes of death in the pre-skin cancer era. Of course, it hadn't been found yet so other diseases that had been discovered were credited with the death.
Ya'll over think things WAAAAYYYY too much and need to learn a little bit about causality... Sunscreen might cause skin cancer issues... But most likely not. Does it protect your skin from some UV? Yes, of course. Will it prevent skin cancer? Absolutely not. But it's better than nothing...
I am 67 and have lived in Southern California all my life. I spent most of my Summers in my teen years and early 20s outside and shirtless at the beach or on a basketball court. In my mid-40s I started getting my first skin cancers. I have been fortunate to never have had a melanoma, but have had numerous squamous and basal cell carcinomas. I see a dermatologist every 6 months now and about a third of the time he has to remove a new cancer spot on my head, face, shoulders or arms. I rarely run after 8:00am now and wear a hat and sunscreen whenever I am out in the sun. Once the UV damage is done to your skin it mostly cannot be undone. Take precautions when you are young or you will suffer the consequences when you are older.
The above and that's why I haven't used sunscreen for years. My skin tans easy though so once I have a good base I don't really have to worry about burning. Otherwise I just put some coconut or avocado oil on which has an spf of around 5-7 and isn't toxic.
On top of the skin cancer protection Sun Screen is the Best anti-aging product for your skin period.
I can guarantee almost all the pros use sunscreen for both of these reasons.
Its the reason you can look like this at 35
http://blog.mlive.com/flintjournal/runners/2008/09/large_HaileGebrselassie.JPG
Or this at 35.
MarcusAurelius wrote:
On top of the skin cancer protection Sun Screen is the Best anti-aging product for your skin period.
I can guarantee almost all the pros use sunscreen for both of these reasons.
Its the reason you can look like this at 35
http://blog.mlive.com/flintjournal/runners/2008/09/large_HaileGebrselassie.JPGOr this at 35.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bernard+lagat&rlz=1CAACAG_enUS689US692&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-8dGP8_DNAhUCTSYKHVBfAkYQ_AUICigD&biw=1680&bih=937#tbm=isch&q=Bernard+lagat+2011&imgrc=XVvTXMEFwL-OvM%3A
I bet you really like kook laid.
The logic behind sunscreen: "I put chemicals on my skin so I can bake in the sun all day and not get burnt"
The logic behind no sunscreen "hey the sun is making my skin hot, that's natures way of telling me to put on a long sleve shirt and hat or to get in the shade, good thing my skin produces vitamin d so I don't get skin cancer"
totally man wrote:
I'm doing just fine........ wrote:I am a 51 year old male and I have never worn sunscreen in my life. I have also never wiped down a cart at the supermarket with an antibacterial towelette. I have never bought a bottle of water. I have never posted on twitter and I have never and I mean NEVER cut a hamburger in half before eating it.
but you play pokemon go, right?
I've poked a few women but have never played pokemon.
Growing up on the east coast, I only wore sunscreen at the beach. Now I live in California so I don't have nice, shady tree-lined routes to run. I wear a hat or visor on almost every run (unless it's early morning or late afternoon) and I usually put sunscreen on my face when I run or go outside for an extended period. If I go without a shirt, I spray sunscreen on my back and shoulders too.I got more regular with the sunscreen when I realized that the sides of my face are red where they aren't shaded by the hat, and they stay red even when I haven't been in the sun for a few days. I don't use lotions or moisturizers and I don't like having them on my skin, so I only use the sunscreen because I'm convinced that it's safer in the long run. It's a pain when I'm all ready to go out the door to run and it takes another five minutes to put sunscreen on, but I wish I had started the habit a few years earlier.
I'm doing just fine........ wrote:
I am a 51 year old male and I have never worn sunscreen in my life. I have also never wiped down a cart at the supermarket with an antibacterial towelette. I have never bought a bottle of water. I have never posted on twitter and I have never and I mean NEVER cut a hamburger in half before eating it.
I'm 41. Me neither - except for the sunscreen.
fitnessisametalstate wrote:
My view is that if you go out in the sun long enough to get a sunburn, you are out there too long, and the solution is NOT to pile pharmaceuticals on your skin to allow you to increase UV exposure even further. As an adult, I do not wear sunscreens at all except when going to altitude.
Grab a sunscreen with Zinc Oxide, and at least 15-30 spf, and boom you are good to go. Even with that, get an umbrella at the beach, wear hats/glasses, and reapply every 80mins, or 40mins if sweat/swimming (even if 'water resistant' Zinc Oxide is magic vs uva waves. Just look for sunscreens that say broadband spectrum. If you want to take good care of your skin, it starts there.
As someone with fair skin I wish I would have listened to this 30 years ago. I had SEVERAL bad sun burns in my teenage years and regret them. Now in my 40s I'm the dude at the beach under the umbrella, long sleeves and bathing in sun screen. I still like to get out in the sun but do take precautions now.
I try to apply sunscreen before I run in the summer months but am not as religious about it as I should be.
And No, I do not apply sunscreen on cloudy days. I've never been sun burned on a cloudy day.
Bad Wigins wrote:
All you chickens so scared shitless of the life-giving sun will be fat and useless before age 35 because your T levels will spiral away to nothing just like Ryan Hall, due to not getting vitamin D the way nature intended, including seasonal variations. You all keep your skin in a state of perpetual winter and will lose first your muscle and then your bones. Then you will be all proud of your spotless fair skin as you sit helpless in a wheelchair with two broken hips.
^^^this is a display of ignorance.
Solar radiation is as carcinogenic as, if not more than, smoking. Sure, there are centenarians who have been life long smokers. But you don't want to bet on having superior genes.
Several posters have it right and some don't get the full picture, while a few are out right ignorant. It is a real issue, not just some trace chemicals thing that might be cancer-prone. The UV-A part of the radiation spectrum is the most problematic, as culprit of skin cancers and AGEING. UV-B on the other hand, gets you sun burns and makes some contribution to skin cancers BUT it also is what's needed to produce vitamin-D in your body (15min/day of sun exposure in summer will be sufficient).
Here're some ways to avoid UV radiation:
1) do your runs in the dark (at night)
2) do them early in the am or late in the pm. When sun is low in the horizon, the path of sun light going through the atmosphere is lengthened and thus reduced by ozone absorption (take vit-D supplement or drink fortified milk to keep at healthy vit-D level). NOTE that this has LITTLE to NO help regarding reducing UV-A, which is outside the ozone absorption band (so if you don't get in the shade, you'll still get aging skin and cancer risks);
3) run at the times as in 2) nd run in the shade. You get more shade when sun angle is low;
4) wear hats/caps and proper clothes for long sun light exposures (regarding blocking UV-A, it's easier to block in the mid-day than early-am/late-pm by wearing a cap as the sun is right above your head.)
5) wear sunscreen with proper UV-A protection (at this moment, New York city is considering putting sun screen dispensers in public places. you're lucky if you're a new yorker)
6) don't run.
Having said the above, I rarely use sun screen. But I try to avoid long exposure in the sun in daily life. And most my runs are done in the afternoon at a local greenway with a lot of shade after work or early morning on weekends.
My advice:
Use sun screen if you can when you should.
If you do get sunburnt DO NOT take a shower. The vitamin D oil on your skin takes a long time to absorb back into the skin and will prevent the pain and redness of a sunburn. Seriously this works, he few times I've been burnt I skip the shower and the next day I'm fine.
If it weren't for excessive carbon emission levels punching holes in the ozone layer--nature's natural sunscreen--we wouldn't even be having this debate.
greenpeace wrote:
If it weren't for excessive carbon emission levels punching holes in the ozone layer--nature's natural sunscreen--we wouldn't even be having this debate.
Yea lets put an end to humanity
Oooooo wrote:
Are you that guy in American Psycho?
Thanks, I needed a laugh today.
I run before the sun comes up 9 months of the year. My house is in the woods. I work in an office. The only time I consistently get any sun is when I run after work in the winter. I'm not too worried about skin cancer but I would have a strange mole examined.
I'm 60 and my skin also is in pretty good condition. I wear a baseball hat when I run. Most of my runs are early or late in the day and I like to run on west facing slopes in the morning to stay out of the sun. If I do a long run on the weekend where I'm getting more sun exposure or if I'm at altitude (>6000') I'll put on sun block below my eyes on my face, on the top of my ears, on the sides and back of my neck, on my arms (including back of the upper arm) and on my legs - lower legs in particular. Also wear UV blocking sun glasses at altitude. This works pretty well for running. I find the times I get sun burned are when I go to the beach, out on the water, or stay outside all day long like at a picnic. Those are the ones where I try to wear long sleeves and a bandana to protect my neck. I'm caucasian but not too light-skinned due to my Swedish heritage (father was short, stocky and dark, not tall, slender and blonde). BTW there's a certain amount of natural sunblock on one's lower legs when trail running due to all the dust that sticks to your legs.
WTF does cutting a hamburger in half do? I have never heard of this thing except to make it easier for a child to eat?
And what does twitter have to with hygiene? Posting on Twitter isn't much different than posting on a forum.
I'm doing just fine........ wrote:
I am a 51 year old male and I have never worn sunscreen in my life. I have also never wiped down a cart at the supermarket with an antibacterial towelette. I have never bought a bottle of water. I have never posted on twitter and I have never and I mean NEVER cut a hamburger in half before eating it.
I've done each of these things. I feel I've lived a more complete life because of it. Particularly the cart wiping ritual, which I try to engage in every few weeks. You don't know how satisfied you can feel until you personally experience the pleasure of wiping other people's grime off your selected shopping cart. It's almost more fun than reading lets run troll posts.
OMG. You must be a blast to be around in your everyday life.
