Please explain why the third place long jumper didnt make the Olympic Team

Montesquieu wrote:

Correct.

Past abilities wrote:

Is there no qualifying window after the trials to attempt to get the standard?

The trials aren't over for a few more days. Is it not possible to find some small meet to try to attain it?

messi wrote:

I was also wondering how 27' 7" was not an Olympic standard.

Hell, anyone who jumps 27.7 meters should qualify, wind or not. Even if it's a triple jump.

Too bad. Standard seems too high only 25 world wide have it. Only 3 nations have 3 jumpers in. Most have 1 or none.

On the other hand, Claye can clearly jump 8.15 and should have had his ducks in a row before now so he has nobody to blame honestly, not that he is blaming anyone that I've heard.

He is a better triple guy anyway, no?

kartelite wrote:

Montesquieu wrote:

Correct.

The trials aren't over for a few more days. Is it not possible to find some small meet to try to attain it?

No chasing after your event ends at the trials.

messi wrote:

Thejeff wrote:

Ok, thanks! So, the jump tonight either wasnt the Olympic Standard, or was wind aided? (Guessing #2...). So, did he know as soon as he felt the breeze in his back that he wasnt going to Rio, since he knew he had to hit the standard at the OT?

This has already been explained to you. Tonight's event was wind-aided and doesn't count for an Olympic standard.

Will Claye does not have a LEGAL Olympic standard and did not have one entering the Trials. Hope this helps.

I was also wondering how 27' 7" was not an Olympic standard.

The part that I am confused on is whether or not the 3rd place guy would have realized DURING the OT that all of his jumps were somewhat pointless. If so, kudos to him for still putting on a great performance. If not, that must have been gut wrenching when he found out.

Thejeff wrote:

The part that I am confused on is whether or not the 3rd place guy would have realized DURING the OT that all of his jumps were somewhat pointless. If so, kudos to him for still putting on a great performance. If not, that must have been gut wrenching when he found out.

Why didn't they put up a fan blowing against him?

Thejeff wrote:

messi wrote:

This has already been explained to you. Tonight's event was wind-aided and doesn't count for an Olympic standard.

Will Claye does not have a LEGAL Olympic standard and did not have one entering the Trials. Hope this helps.

I was also wondering how 27' 7" was not an Olympic standard.

The part that I am confused on is whether or not the 3rd place guy would have realized DURING the OT that all of his jumps were somewhat pointless. If so, kudos to him for still putting on a great performance. If not, that must have been gut wrenching when he found out.

He did realize it, apparently he was trying to time his jumps to let the wind die down a bit. Also even after he hit 8.14 in prelims (standard is 8.15) he still took his 3rd jump despite being all but assured of a qualifying spot (he ended up 2nd in prelims) so he clearly was aware of the predicament. Tough luck for him, but as stated he will likely make it in the TJ.

usnspecialist wrote:

Thejeff wrote:

The part that I am confused on is whether or not the 3rd place guy would have realized DURING the OT that all of his jumps were somewhat pointless. If so, kudos to him for still putting on a great performance. If not, that must have been gut wrenching when he found out.

He did realize it, apparently he was trying to time his jumps to let the wind die down a bit. Also even after he hit 8.14 in prelims (standard is 8.15) he still took his 3rd jump despite being all but assured of a qualifying spot (he ended up 2nd in prelims) so he clearly was aware of the predicament. Tough luck for him, but as stated he will likely make it in the TJ.

Weird to see a lot of old names/faces back around this site during the lead up to the Olympics.

Anyway, we'll have a strong team in Rio, but I wonder if Lawson will have peaked too early after the NCAA season. I was hoping to see Goodwin go too, but such is life.

BisonHurdler, M.D. wrote:

usnspecialist wrote:

He did realize it, apparently he was trying to time his jumps to let the wind die down a bit. Also even after he hit 8.14 in prelims (standard is 8.15) he still took his 3rd jump despite being all but assured of a qualifying spot (he ended up 2nd in prelims) so he clearly was aware of the predicament. Tough luck for him, but as stated he will likely make it in the TJ.

Weird to see a lot of old names/faces back around this site during the lead up to the Olympics.

Anyway, we'll have a strong team in Rio, but I wonder if Lawson will have peaked too early after the NCAA season. I was hoping to see Goodwin go too, but such is life.

One of the reasons you need to have an OG in your pocket going into the trials especially in the wind speed dependent events.

Agree nice to see old names/faces here and guys who now have added M.D. to their names too!!

You are all wrong and so was the announcer. Claye's 8.14 wind legal will be far enough to solicit an invitation from the IAAF/IOC as they plan to take the top 32 in field events. The USATF changed their position a few weeks ago to allow for an invitation to over take someone with the standard...priority going to the higher finisher at the Trials. Claye will go in the Long Jump.

wineturtle wrote:

Agree nice to see old names/faces here and guys who now have added M.D. to their names too!!

Agreed, Tom, didn't mean for my comment to come off incorrectly. "Nice" should have been the word I used, not "weird."

And we'll see about Claye. My understanding is that the invite rule is primarily to be used when a country does not already have 3 people who have made the standard (which we obviously do).

Thanks :-)

USATF Rules wrote:

You are all wrong and so was the announcer. Claye's 8.14 wind legal will be far enough to solicit an invitation from the IAAF/IOC as they plan to take the top 32 in field events. The USATF changed their position a few weeks ago to allow for an invitation to over take someone with the standard...priority going to the higher finisher at the Trials. Claye will go in the Long Jump.

This is my understanding as well. A third place finisher at the Trials that doesn't have the standard will be picked over a fourth place finisher that does have the standard if their name is on the IAAF list to be released on July 12. Basically, if your name is on the IAAF July 12 list (as Claye's almost certainly will be since he's .01 short of the standard), you are considered to have the standard by the IAAF and the USATF will honor that.

This is from the IAAF:

"Following the end of the qualification period, IAAF shall assess the number of athletes having achieved the entry standard plus the approved unqualified athletes. In order to achieve the ideal number of entries by event, IAAF shall then determine the athletes to be invited through the IAAF World Ranking List in each event (except the 5000m, 10,000m and road events) and inform each NOC accordingly. The IAAF World Ranking List for each event shall be published on the IAAF website on 12 July 2016. NOCs shall enter all athletes to Rio 2016 by the entries deadline of 18 July 2016."

This is from the USATF (emphasis mine):

"In some events, the IOC/IAAF may invite athletes based on the IAAF ranking lists in order to reach the target number of competitors for each event as listed by the IAAF for the 2016 Olympic Games. USATF shall accept any invitations extended to U.S. athletes if such acceptance does not displace an athlete who has finished ahead of the invited athlete(s) at the Trials and who has met the 2016 Olympic Games Qualification Standard or who is also in a position to receive an IAAF invitation. In the event that one or more of the top placers in the Trials has not met the 2016 Olympic Games Qualification Standard but has a performance that appears to be good enough to warrant an invitation based on the ranking list and number of known qualifiers, USATF may solicit an invitation from the IAAF for that athlete(s) notwithstanding that other U.S. athletes have met the 2016 Olympic Games Qualification Standard. The intent is that, to the extent possible, the order of finish at the 2016 U. S. Olympic Team Trials – Track & Field shall determine whether an athlete competes in the Olympic Games. There will be no invitations through the use of the ranking lists in the 5,000m, 10,000m, race walk and marathon. Note: The IAAF invitation procedures will not come into play unless USATF has less than 3 entrants in an event."

I don't see Claye making the team based on this.

Apologies, the first part I bolded above is not very relevant as Claye finished ahead of Dendy.

However, as I said previously, it appears as though the USATF will only bother with the IAAF invite thing if they don't have 3 people ready to go already (which we do).

Should become clear eventually . . .

I know right?!!?

People say TnF is boring to watch and that's why it's not on TV. Yet how do you explain the hours of swimming on TV? You can't even see the swimmers, just a caped head moving in the water and flailing arms and splashing. Going back and forth, back and forth. The only variety is the number of times they go back and forth and a slightly different pattern of arm flailing amidst the splashing. I don't get it.

And it can't be explained by participation interest in the sport. Just as many people run track and/or XC in high school as are on the swim team. Additionally, how many adults make it their goal to swim across some lake that will take them 3-5 hours, yet thousands of people make a similar goal for completing a marathon?

[quote]BisonHurdler, M.D. wrote:

This is from the USATF

"In the event that one or more of the top placers in the Trials has not met the 2016 Olympic Games Qualification Standard but has a performance that appears to be good enough to warrant an invitation based on the ranking list and number of known qualifiers, USATF may solicit an invitation from the IAAF for that athlete(s) notwithstanding that other U.S. athletes have met the 2016 Olympic Games Qualification Standard. The intent is that, to the extent possible, the order of finish at the 2016 U. S. Olympic Team Trials – Track & Field shall determine whether an athlete competes in the Olympic Games."

Please read this excerpt from your own post again...Claye is in.

USATF Rules wrote:

[quote]BisonHurdler, M.D. wrote:

This is from the USATF

"In the event that one or more of the top placers in the Trials has not met the 2016 Olympic Games Qualification Standard but has a performance that appears to be good enough to warrant an invitation based on the ranking list and number of known qualifiers, USATF may solicit an invitation from the IAAF for that athlete(s) notwithstanding that other U.S. athletes have met the 2016 Olympic Games Qualification Standard. The intent is that, to the extent possible, the order of finish at the 2016 U. S. Olympic Team Trials – Track & Field shall determine whether an athlete competes in the Olympic Games."

Please read this excerpt from your own post again...Claye is in.

I've read it, but thanks for asking nicely.

As the brojos pointed out, the entire passage contradicts itself in places and does not make it clear which "scenario" or preference takes precedence.

It says the USATF may solicit an invitation. They very well may not want to or bother to, especially with the way the final sentence is worded in my original post.

I do hope Claye makes it, but there is no indication as of yet that he is in.

BisonHurdler, M.D. wrote:

As the brojos pointed out, the entire passage contradicts itself in places and does not make it clear which "scenario" or preference takes precedence.

It's actually very clear by them. They explicitly state at the end of your passage that this IAAF invitation scenario is not relevant here as 3+ people have the standard already.

Claye is out, unfortunately.